Saltbag Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 And Now the REAL truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Expand please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hey, Professor Valin! You forgot to add "in 500 words or less, compare and contrast" Here is my take on that pithy observation by Saltbag: the Left has screamed that the US has backed the wrong group forever. The world has told the US to stay out of other nations' affairs, while gladly taking our money. Carter royally screwed up Iran. In Iran, Obama took no sides and was criticized but the dynamics may not be the same in Egypt. The more we meddle, the worse it is. The less we meddle, the better. How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Expand please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Clayton Morris on Fox news this morning excitedly said that he had inside info that Egyptians were able to find a way around government controls of communications and were playing an online video game named A and meeting within a virtual world named B and that the Egyptian government was not aware of this use of the game yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hey, Professor Valin! You forgot to add "in 500 words or less, compare and contrast" Here is my take on that pithy observation by Saltbag: the Left has screamed that the US has backed the wrong group forever. The world has told the US to stay out of other nations' affairs, while gladly taking our money. Carter royally screwed up Iran. In Iran, Obama took no sides and was criticized but the dynamics may not be the same in Egypt. The more we meddle, the worse it is. The less we meddle, the better. How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Expand please. I'm just trying to figure out what Saltbag means. We should not have anything or very little with the world? It's our fault? Or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Inspired by the revolution in Tunisia, Egyptian youths are leading ongoing protests in their own country. Thousands of Egyptians have taken to the streets across the country, demanding political change. So, how do young Egyptians view the protests and are they hopeful that change will come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Valin, I was having fun with you. Regardless of what the US does, we will be blamed globally. Kinda like blame Bush locally. I'm just trying to figure out what Saltbag means. We should not have anything or very little with the world? It's our fault? Or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollyannaish Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 pollyannaish Well, you have great resources, know the middle east inside and out have a fully developed understanding of Islam and are very circumspect about adding your own opinion about solutions. But I KNOW you have them. And that really makes me curious! But I have to say, this solution came as a bit of a surprise. I think it might work! Actually I really don't know what will happen, I know what I would like to see happen, Egypt become a real western style democracy, but no one can say how this will turn out. That said I have no doubt the MB is as we speak trying to take over this revolution, much the way the Khomeinists took over the 79 revolt in Iran. The question is are the pro democracy forces strong enough to withstand the assault by the MB? There is cause for hope see Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising H/T Geee It seems to me that there are enough modernized educated Egyptians that a western style democracy could take hold more effectively than in almost many other middle eastern countries. If they could do it in Iraq, which seemed almost impossible on some levels...why couldn't they do it here? Edited to add: Thanks for all the information. It will take me a bit to go through it! Homework! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Global Voices Online Iran: “Our friend Mr. ElBaradei” in Egypt Hamid Tehrani 31 January 2011 Iranian bloggers from across the political spectrum continue to share their opinions on uprisings in the Arab world. (Snip) Egypt: Cheering on the Million Man March Amira Al Hussaini 2/1/11 This post is part of our special coverage of Egypt Protests 2011. Tanks in Cairo are surrounded by protesters demanding the resignation of President Mubarak. By Mohamed Elmaymony © Copyright Demotix (30/1/2011) With a few more hours to go until the Million Man March, another Day of Rage will dawn upon Egypt as it enters its eighth day of massive protests against the Mubarak regime tomorrow. Spirits are high and Egyptians are all fired up for the day ahead, as the government continues to clampdown on whatever was left of the Internet, after Egypt turned the switch off on January 27. The plan is to march from Tahrir Square, starting at 9am Cairo time, up to Mubarak's presidential palace in Heliopolis, asking him to step down. The government is meanwhile bracing itself for the day, and has blocked access to Egypt's last remaining ISP, to stop the world from hearing the voices of Egyptians on the ground. This comes after further harassment to mainstream media, particularly Al Jazeera, which had six of its journalists arrested today and their equipment, cameras and phones confiscated. They have since been released. (Snip) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltbag Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Expand please. I should have said more, but Pepper was on the mark. I think it's pretty much a lose/lose situation getting involved or not. Backing a leader that has no future versus the substantially worse alternative. There is no win here. Obama would get blamed for whatever he says, and therefore anything he says would make matters worse. I've been reading up more on the analogue Carter/Iran situation. I remember it,... but I was nine when it all got kicked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How bad this is for the US is directly proportional to how much we insert ourselves in the situation. Expand please. I should have said more, but Pepper was on the mark. I think it's pretty much a lose/lose situation getting involved or not. Backing a leader that has no future versus the substantially worse alternative. There is no win here. Obama would get blamed for whatever he says, and therefore anything he says would make matters worse. I've been reading up more on the analogue Carter/Iran situation. I remember it,... but I was nine when it all got kicked off. Hugh Hewitt Show: Robert Kaplan's Analysis Of Egypt (snip) HH: I read your piece at Foreign Policy over the weekend. Would you summarize for the audience how you’re viewing the upheavals in Egypt? RK: Yeah, first of all, I think the longer Mubarak stays in power, the bigger the possibility that these demonstrations will turn anti-American. So far, they have not. They have been about tyranny, dignity, justice, unemployment. They’ve been about universal values. They have not been overtly anti-American. They haven’t been anti-Israeli. They haven’t been about the Palestinians. This is the big, new thing. It’s Arab peoples turning against their own regime rather then outside enemies. But if Mubarak hangs in power, and really tries to hang on and on, I think there’s a possibility that this could turn. That’s why I hope what we’re doing is we’re standing up for a democratic dialogue, and we’re quietly trying to ease him out without saying that directly. I also think that the comparisons between what we see in Egypt now and the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran are superficial. There are big differences. In Egypt, you do not have a charismatic Islamic leader coming back from abroad to take control of the protest movement. In Egypt, you do not have a leader, Mubarak, who is so dependent upon the United States as the Shah was in Iran. Remember in Iran, we went from the most pro-American regime in the region to the most anti-American regime in the region. The revolution turned foreign policy in Iran 180 degrees. That’s not likely to happen in Egypt. (Snip) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9w2XYm3yM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Al Jazeera live coverage of Egypt Should be carrying Mubarak's speech as to what he plans to do today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearvision Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So he says he will leave at next election in Sept. Obama's team is saying they called and told him to do so a few hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Clearvision! Casino! With all due respect to our Teleprompter and Ditherer-in-Chief, Mr. Mubarek through his translator spoke with more eloquence, passion and sincerity than Zero, feigned or not So he says he will leave at next election in Sept. Obama's team is saying they called and told him to do so a few hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Clearvision! Casino! With all due respect to our Teleprompter and Ditherer-in-Chief, Mr. Mubarek through his translator spoke with more eloquence, passion and sincerity than Zero, feigned or not So he says he will leave at next election in Sept. Obama's team is saying they called and told him to do so a few hours ago. Should come as no surprise to anyone. There is a complete difference to saying something you believe as opposed to reading something you don't even understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well said, Casino67 "Should come as no surprise to anyone. There is a complete difference to saying something you believe as opposed to reading something you don't even understand." -- Casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It now appears that the protesters are now fighting among themselves. Getting bizarre over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pepper. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 WATCH: Obama to speak on Egypt at 6:20 ET http://wapo.st/9p2uYi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So he says he will leave at next election in Sept. This is a repeat of what he said in his last speech, it sounds to me (from what I've heard) this is not good enough for the protesters. Obama's team is saying they called and told him to do so a few hours ago. That's my story and I'm stickin with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 WATCH: Obama to speak on Egypt at 6:20 ET http://wapo.st/9p2uYi Oh be still my beating heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 WATCH: Obama to speak on Egypt at 6:20 ET http://wapo.st/9p2uYi Oh be still my beating heart! WestWingReport Donde esta POTUS? TV producers across the land have been thrown off by his delay. 6:20, 6:30 no sign of the President ---- The 0 has never never been on time. The speech is still being explained to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 WATCH: Obama to speak on Egypt at 6:20 ET http://wapo.st/9p2uYi Oh be still my beating heart! WestWingReport Donde esta POTUS? TV producers across the land have been thrown off by his delay. 6:20, 6:30 no sign of the President ---- The 0 has never never been on time. The speech is still being explained to him. LOL!!! (Seriously) IMO "The One" just told Mubarak time to pack your bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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