Valin Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Ya know @Draggingtree, somewhere along the line the Radical Ideologue bar has been set very low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggingtree Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Mormon Utopia in Utah? Walter Russell Mead 8/7/12 A new Gallup poll confirms what we already suspected at Via Meadia: despite incessant insinuations in the MSM that life among the Latter Day Saints could be anything other than a hell on earth, Mormon Utah is the most pleasant state in the union to live in. More than half a million Americans were asked to assess the states using a range of metrics from availability of good jobs to workplace relations to standard of living to optimism about the future, health, and education quality: Utah does best in part because it is among the top two best-performing states for low smoking habits, ease of finding clean and safe water, having supervisors who treat workers like a partner rather than a boss, learning something new or interesting on any given day, and perceptions that your city or area are "getting better" rather than "getting worse." Contrary to what we've seen in the NYT, the tolerant, hard-working Mormons in Utah seem to be doing just fine, judging by many Americans' standards. Perhaps Mitt Romney shouldn't hide his Mormonism but confidently own it and be proud of his religion's focus on values, strong communities, public service, and compassion for the poor and sick. (Snip) Mitt Romney’s Complicated Courtship Dance(s) By: Laura R. Olson | Topics: 2012 Election [08.13.2012] Never before have American electoral campaigns been as technologically sophisticated as they are today. Strategies for reaching narrow subsets of voters that were innovative just four years ago are now par for the course. Candidates and elected officials are better equipped than ever before to find, contact, and potentially persuade very specific segments of the American public. Just as new technologies offer unparalleled tactical opportunities for the enterprising candidate to mobilize voters, challenges and complications crop up as well. As PRRI Affiliated Scholar Paul Djupe remarked in his recent post on this blog, “The trick is to convey a [campaign] message such that only the target group truly understands it.” Djupe is wise to use the term “trick” in this context. Communicating to one segment of the electorate without offending others can be a tremendously delicate balancing act. Every word a candidate utters is recorded for posterity—and made available to any interested web surfer—with breathtaking immediacy. In short, there is nowhere for a candidate to hide. Every action and statement, no matter how insignificant, must be designed both to avoid trip-ups and to maximize any opportunity to appeal for support to persuadable audiences. Mitt Romney’s campaign confronts this challenge on an almost-daily basis. The extent and nature of the campaign’s use of religious references is just one of the many minefields through which Romney must navigate with care. The candidate has played down his personal Mormon faith, but has not hesitated to harness “religion” under other guises for political gain. For example, read more http://publicreligion.org/2012/08/mitt-romneys-complicated-courtship-dances/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 @Draggingtree I wonder just how much of a problem Romney's Mormonism is...with your average voter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino67 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I have a feeling that once the polls start trending towards R&R, we are going to start seeing more negative stories about Mormons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggingtree Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 @Draggingtree I wonder just how much of a problem Romney's Mormonism is...with your average voter? I think Casino67 post is the answer to your question Casino67 Posted Today, 01:16 PM I have a feeling that once the polls start trending towards R&R, we are going to start seeing more negative stories about Mormons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 @Draggingtree I wonder just how much of a problem Romney's Mormonism is...with your average voter? I think Casino67 post is the answer to your question Casino67 Posted Today, 01:16 PM I have a feeling that once the polls start trending towards R&R, we are going to start seeing more negative stories about Mormons. Probably will happen, but the question is will they be effective? I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Well so much for the Civil Debate We've all heard so much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestVirginiaRebel Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Biden campaigns before a crowd of 660 in North Carolina Meanwhile: New Obama panic: Romney crowd sizes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollyannaish Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sincere questions of the day: I just watched the hecklers giving Ryan a bad time at the Iowa State Fair. He handled them gracefully and respectfully while not giving them any ground. My question is...does heckling really advance one's cause, or does it hurt it? And second, what's in it for the heckler that just comes off looking like, well, like a less capable Adam Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geee Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sincere questions of the day: I just watched the hecklers giving Ryan a bad time at the Iowa State Fair. He handled them gracefully and respectfully while not giving them any ground. My question is...does heckling really advance one's cause, or does it hurt it? And second, what's in it for the heckler that just comes off looking like, well, like a less capable Adam Smith? When he is home, he gives numerous town halls. He has given hundreds over the years and has had many many hecklers. He is used to it and has learned how to deal with it , not like the representitives that we saw during the healthcare debate, who I guess were used to their constituency adoration I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sincere questions of the day: I just watched the hecklers giving Ryan a bad time at the Iowa State Fair. He handled them gracefully and respectfully while not giving them any ground. My question is...does heckling really advance one's cause, or does it hurt it? And second, what's in it for the heckler that just comes off looking like, well, like a less capable Adam Smith? Generally speaking today I don't think they are really effective, because Pols today are ready for them, in fact I would say the want one or two so they can look reasonable open minded or depending on the situation they can confront the heckler forcefully with "The Fact", and make the heckler look silly. It also excites the crowd to support the speaker, they came to hear. As too why people or campaigns engage in this....its cheap and there is always the off chance the candidate/politician will not be prepared and will look bad. We could also ask why some people start flame wars online I think we see some of the same types of people...they are soooo smart, witty, committed that they can change the campaign single handedly. Do we see this kind of thing when Democrats are speaking? I mean to the same extent when Republicans are speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Valin Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Another Open Letter To Mitt Romney To: Mitt Romney From: Mitch Berg Re: Budget Talk Dear Governor Romney, The next time the media asks you “what’s the difference between your budget and the Ryan budget”, you need to response “unlike the Obama budget, it exists”. That is all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Now as I have said before, I'm not that bright. As proof I offer the above. I saw it as a great parody/satire...evidently I'm WrongH/T Hpt Air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickadee Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Now as I have said before, I'm not that bright. As proof I offer the above. I saw it as a great parody/satire...evidently I'm Wrong H/T Hot Air Some have commented these might be out-of-work actors who are just doing it for money. I don't believe that to be the case. (Watch the credits at the end.) I think they truly believe they "can make a difference." I, like you, @Valin, went into it thinking the video was, as it said in the beginning, a parody. But then I re-watched the opening comments: "One Term More is a transformative political parody rendered under fair use. The accompanying illustration conveys the transcendent nature of a remarkable man. Sketches based on a recently reported, well-sourced, deeply disturbing event depict an uncommonly cruel act of aggression. No ad time will be purchased nor will it be sold. It's intended as social commentary, criticism & personal expression, displayed only online and freely available to all. Its purpose and character is informational, non-commercial & not-for-profit . . ." DISGUSTING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 @Chickadee I just don't get it. I mean its one thing to support a candidate, but this....I'm shacking my head in utter disbelief This is just one of the many many many things I don't get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickydog Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I still don't get how they can call it a parody if it's not meant to be one. I did hate the sketch. But I enjoyed the amazing talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickadee Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggingtree Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 If it’s an election year, it must be Bogus Quote Time! Patrick Henry on the Constitution August 14, 2012 Keep your collections of Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, and “the founders” close to you, and right next to your Bartlett’s or Yale. It’s an election year, and that means people are pulling out all the stops to get you to act against your interests and common sense, including making up stuff that they claim famous people said. This quote attributed to Patrick Henry piqued my interest last night: “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” ~ Patrick Henry As the painter imagined it, Patrick Henry before the House of Burgesses, by Peter F. Rothermel. The painting was done in 1851, 52 years after Henry’s death. It commemorates his famous speech against the Stamp Act of 1775, “If this be treason, make the most of it.” Henry was both fiery in oration and stubborn in policy; it is unlikely that he would have abandoned his staunch opposition to the U.S. Constitution, to praise its defenses of individual rights, the very thing he criticized it for failing to do. Recall, you students of history, that Patrick Henry bitterly opposed the Constitution and its ratification. He considered it too much government, too much intrusions of a centralized, federal government over the states and the citizens of Virginia in particular. Henry refused to serve when elected delegate to the convention in Philadelphia in 1787. Henry made it clear that he opposed any new charter of government that set up a real, workable, national government. Henry held considerable sway in Virginia — he was serving one of his six terms as governor, and snip read more http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/if-its-an-election-year-it-must-be-bogus-quote-time-patrick-henry-on-the-constitution/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nickydog Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 So maybe.....maybe?... this time the pick of a VP might make a difference? Maybe this is one time when it does matter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearvision Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I really think Romney should get out early and get cabinet positions lined up. If he is the manager/leader everyone says he is then he won't have the ego issue a certain president has. Overwhelm the Obama campaign with having to compare more of their top people and spend precious media time on it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 H/T the evilly stupid or is that stupidly evil (oh its all just sooo confusing) William A. 'spawn of satan" Jacobson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 This is the kind of hard hitting investigative reporting and political analysis we've all come to expect from the NY Times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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