Geee Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Washington Times: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Wednesday that he will try to push through a change to Senate rules that would limit the GOP’s ability to filibuster bills. Speaking in the wake of Tuesday’s election, which boosted Senate Democrats’ numbers slightly, Mr. Reid said he won’t end filibusters altogether but that the rules need to change so that the minority party cannot use the legislative blocking tool as often. “I think that the rules have been abused and that we’re going to work to change them,” he told reporters. “Were not going to do away with the filibuster but we’re going to make the Senate a more meaningful place.” Republicans, who have 47 of the chamber’s 100 seats in this current Congress, have repeatedly used that strong minority to block parts of President Obama’s agenda on everything from added stimulus spending to his judicial picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Yes.....I'd like a Gridlock sammich on wry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokke Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The first mistake of a political victor. Assume your opponent is ready to surrender. The best solution for Washington during the next four years...gridlock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicnreason Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Gridlock my ass! The GOP lost....period! The dems control the Senate; they can change the rules to suit them. Reid can do pretty much what he wants. The GOP - and all it's few fans - had better get ready for four years of being losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Yes.....I'd like a Gridlock sammich on wry! Groan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The first mistake of a political victor. Assume your opponent is ready to surrender. The best solution for Washington during the next four years...gridlock. Dear President Obama We give up. We'll do anything you want...really....trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Yes.....I'd like a Gridlock sammich on wry! Groan! If you want......put it on an onion pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valin Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Yes.....I'd like a Gridlock sammich on wry! Groan! If you want......put it on an onion pun. GO TO YOUR ROOM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 @Geee He's also demanding raising taxes on the (EEEEvil) rich.....again.....or should I say Still. Get ready for Gridlock! Yes.....I'd like a Gridlock sammich on wry! Groan! If you want......put it on an onion pun. GO TO YOUR ROOM! May-O I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle58 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Gridlock my ass! The GOP lost....period! The dems control the Senate; they can change the rules to suit them. Reid can do pretty much what he wants. The GOP - and all it's few fans - had better get ready for four years of being losers. Actually, to change the rules of the Senate takes 60 votes, which he hasn't got. Gridlock is actually a good thing, in my view. That means less incursions on my own personal liberty, and less ability for the government to steal from those who actually earn and contribute to this society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicnreason Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Gridlock my ass! The GOP lost....period! The dems control the Senate; they can change the rules to suit them. Reid can do pretty much what he wants. The GOP - and all it's few fans - had better get ready for four years of being losers. Actually, to change the rules of the Senate takes 60 votes, which he hasn't got. Gridlock is actually a good thing, in my view. That means less incursions on my own personal liberty, and less ability for the government to steal from those who actually earn and contribute to this society. The "gridlock" - if any - may exist between the house and senate. The republican senators know full well that they stand to lose their seats in the next "off year" election - given the direction the country has decided to take. Remember: virtually all of them believe that keeping their "job" is paramount to anything else. Reid will not have any difficulty in gaining 60 votes...none at all. The republican minority leader has no teeth and we all are aware of "bone-your's" performance in the house. The republicans will live as lapdogs for the next four years. And if they don't radically change, they will be lapdogs for far longer than that. By the way.....have you noticed that the big brew-ha-ha over the Bengazi situation has virtually disappeared? Appears the libs were right again...the republicans were just using it as a political gambit....yet they really didn't use it at all. Failed again! It is going to be a terribly long four years. One wonders what the country will look like after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle58 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I choose not to take such a "gloom and doom" outlook, @logicnreason. While I agree that it will be a long 4 years with serious implications, it is also 4 years in which the Democrats will be forced to own the results. It is an opportunity for the Republican Party to revamp the process through which they communicate their message and to do a better job of vetting candidates for their ability to better communicate the conservative message. If the Republicans cannot get their act together, then it will give ample time for that third party move that many of us have spoken about. Let us not forget that the Republican Party was birthed as a single issue third party.....it can be done. We all know that the conservative agenda will be better for the country at large, and to individuals, even the "taker" side of society. It is time for us to take a page from the Democrats book and begin to repackage our message; not change the message, but find a better way to communicate that ours is the more productive agenda that will bring long lasting results. It is the agenda that we started with, it is the program that made us the most prosperous nation in the history of the world, and with some thoughtful approaches it can again become the agenda for the American people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geee Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Don't know @Argyle58. I think that they will find ways to blame part of whatever happens on the R House. They did this last two years. Whether it will still work is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle58 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Don't know @Argyle58. I think that they will find ways to blame part of whatever happens on the R House. They did this last two years. Whether it will still work is another matter. Regardless of the House, some parts of the Administration's agenda will still be implemented and will fail. It will be up to the House leadership and the Republican party to do a better job of communicating WHY the House majority opposes certain legislation and administration policy. Finally we also have to recognize that, in spite of the fact that Obama kept his position, the People voted to not only maintain this House majority, but to expand it. Also, it is good to keep in mind that Romney won the popular vote, which means that not only did more people vote for him, but more states, counties and communities supported him than did Obama. It is up to US to keep striving to get the message to more people. Hearts and minds are won at the grass roots level, not from the ivory towers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggingtree Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Gridlock my ass! The GOP lost....period! The dems control the Senate; they can change the rules to suit them. Reid can do pretty much what he wants. The GOP - and all it's few fans - had better get ready for four years of being losers. Yes they can change the rules in the Senate "but" the House still controls the purse strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicnreason Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I choose not to take such a "gloom and doom" outlook, @logicnreason. While I agree that it will be a long 4 years with serious implications, it is also 4 years in which the Democrats will be forced to own the results. It is an opportunity for the Republican Party to revamp the process through which they communicate their message and to do a better job of vetting candidates for their ability to better communicate the conservative message. If the Republicans cannot get their act together, then it will give ample time for that third party move that many of us have spoken about. Let us not forget that the Republican Party was birthed as a single issue third party.....it can be done. We all know that the conservative agenda will be better for the country at large, and to individuals, even the "taker" side of society. It is time for us to take a page from the Democrats book and begin to repackage our message; not change the message, but find a better way to communicate that ours is the more productive agenda that will bring long lasting results. It is the agenda that we started with, it is the program that made us the most prosperous nation in the history of the world, and with some thoughtful approaches it can again become the agenda for the American people. Argyle, It is difficult to tell the difference between "doom and gloom" points of view...and an unpleasant truth. Fact is, the republicans (save for the brilliance of one of the top 2 presidents of all time - Mr. Reagan) have yet again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. The party - objectively speaking - is a failure. The directions you believe the republican party should or might take are certainly well founded. The problem is, the republican party has known this for quite some time.....and are seemingly powerless to move themselves in the right (pun intended) direction. Again, they are failures. The democrat group are very very good at doing a couple of things: controlling the msm, and the "spin". They will never "own" (read: take responsibility for) anything unless it benefits them to do so. The absolute evil of the first four years of this regime did not matter to a majority of the voting public. The same evil - and more of it - will not matter to the majority of the voting public come 2016. Hell...this time around....despite all the HOO-HAA about voter turnout.....the republican candidate received 2 million LESS votes than did McLoser in the last general election!!!!! The currrent republican party is dead. it has been beaten I hope for the last time. It has four years to move in the directions you ascribe. If it doesn't, it will be extinct and relegated to the dustbin of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Gridlock my ass! The GOP lost....period! The dems control the Senate; they can change the rules to suit them. Reid can do pretty much what he wants. The GOP - and all it's few fans - had better get ready for four years of being losers. Yes they can change the rules in the Senate "but" the House still controls the purse strings. I think the Dems need 60 votes to do rule changes......I may be wrong, but I don't see it happening right away. Harry needs to project his pathetic progressive machismo.......it's hard to see anything over the stack of bills that are held hostage on his desk. He's the mouth that roars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle58 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @logicnreason.The beauty of a two party system is that when one party becomes moot, another will rise in its place to fill the void. The Republican Party came into being in the mid 19th century with members of both sides of the political aisle (Whigs and Democrats) to address a single issue, the abolishment of slavery. It took only a handful of people to get the movement started and even fewer dynamic leaders to push it forward, but it led to the continuance of the conservative movement and the founding principles of this country. A new great issue has arisen, the unaddressed increase of an unsustainable national debt. As it becomes more apparent to the public at large that it is impossible to tax the American people enough to solve this crisis, the Republican Party will either step up to the challenge, or they will fall to the way side just as the Whig Party did, and a more determined party will emerge to replace them in order to solve the problem. We, us here as members of TRR, must make up our minds whether we are going to try to fix the party, or fix the message. Either is possible, but one might be easier than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @logicnreason.The beauty of a two party system is that when one party becomes moot, another will rise in its place to fill the void. The Republican Party came into being in the mid 19th century with members of both sides of the political aisle (Whigs and Democrats) to address a single issue, the abolishment of slavery. It took only a handful of people to get the movement started and even fewer dynamic leaders to push it forward, but it led to the continuance of the conservative movement and the founding principles of this country. A new great issue has arisen, the unaddressed increase of an unsustainable national debt. As it becomes more apparent to the public at large that it is impossible to tax the American people enough to solve this crisis, the Republican Party will either step up to the challenge, or they will fall to the way side just as the Whig Party did, and a more determined party will emerge to replace them in order to solve the problem. We, us here as members of TRR, must make up our minds whether we are going to try to fix the party, or fix the message. Either is possible, but one might be easier than the other. @Argyle58 If I may make some comments: The beauty of a two party system is that when one party becomes moot, another will rise in its place to fill the void. The Republican Party came into being in the mid 19th century with members of both sides of the political aisle (Whigs and Democrats) to address a single issue, the abolishment of slavery. It took only a handful of people to get the movement started and even fewer dynamic leaders to push it forward, but it led to the continuance of the conservative movement and the founding principles of this country 1.) A number of parties have formed & dissolved over 2+ centuries.....most of them when our government was new & our population small. Ron Paul came closer than most to drawing a large enough group to be called a party. If he had split from the Republicans, the defeat would have been greater. We are so fractured as a society [something Obama draws from] that we can't yet field a cohesive group, large enough to face the Dems......maybe in 4 years. 2.) The Republican & Democrat parties formed along the Mason-Dixon line....North-Industrial & South-Agricultural....but the cause of slavery resulted in the Civil War...followed by the subjugation & destruction of the South. Although there are some that think we are near a new civil war, I don't see it happening, until we begin to lose our Constitutional Rights....if & when Obama gives it a shot......or we dissolve into chaos with a financial melt-down. We'll likely become "rights-gutted" FEMA campers, at that point. 3.) The main impediment to a new party, is from the gimme society. Virtuous living is not taught in a few years. Just my 2 cents...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokke Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 '"The democrat group are very very good at doing a couple of things: controlling the msm, and the "spin". They will never "own" (read: take responsibility for) anything unless it benefits them to do so." I believe the entire keystone to the political success of the democrat party is the fact that they own the media. Without it, they would lose any control they've managed to gain. A classic example of this is the coverage of Sandy. Currently, the most prolific image is Obama getting hugged by Christy. The reality is, mass looting, little to no progress in the neighborhoods hardest hit, a rising deathtoll, and an increasingly obvious lack of infrastructure prepardness in the areas hardest hit. If Obama had been Republican, those realities would have been pushed 24/7 by the media, and the election would have been a 60/40 blowout for whatever democrat challenger was on the ticket. Republicans will not win another national election until a majority of Americans get their news from non-MSM sources. The good news is, that trend is in our direction. Already, a vast majority of Americans believe the MSM is not credible, and a majority believe they are biased toward democrates. Unfortunately, a majority still uses the MSM as its most influential source of perspective on current events. We do it here. How many of us read AP or Reuters stories before a Breitbart story? How many use Yahoo news or some similar page to get a quick rundown on current events? How many actually listen to top of the hour radio news summaries or still watch nightly network news? Probably most. And that keeps the lying, agenda driven, manipulative MSM in business. I think this last election we were probably at 40% of where we need to be as far as people looking through our lying media. When we can get that number to 60%, we may start to see progress in national politics. The trend is in our direction, but we've got a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrWoodchuck Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Also, the medium is the message......for you anglophiles, a "one-off"........Marshall McLuhan, speaking in Australia: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickadee Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Rokke, I for one on TRR do not allow network news in our home, I do not listen to it on the radio in the car, and I always check the sources of online news when deciding if I believe it to be credible. If it is AP, Reuters, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSN, of course I "consider the source." I usually go to FoxNews for highlights . . . but even their news is taken with a grain of salt. I find that The Guardian, UK, does an pretty good job of covering US news. They were one source which put out multitudes of pictures of the Sandy storm devastation before anyone else did. My husband, brother and I have been discussing how "informed" the general US public is. We decided they are by far totally uninformed. They don't know the vice-president's name, they don't know anything about the economy, they may respond to high gas prices but don't know where to put the blame, they know nothing of their children's future tax burden nor the current deficit, but they will respond to an Obama phone and believe HE will provide them with a house and a car. (My sister-in-law FIRMLY!!! believes this, and she watches TV all day long.) The liberal/progressive message is projected in more than just news--it's in TV programs from sit-com's to drama/action, not to mention all the talk shows. Sheep come to mind for many of the US population. Here in very-liberal Seattle, they truly believe the socialist/marxist doctrine and are not afraid to say so. (I am so very glad to be out of that workplace environment and no longer have to listen to their drivel.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle58 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well, gee whiz, ya'll have convinced me. I will hence forth give up all thoughts of positive action and meekly follow toward my eventual enslavement at the altar of "Its For Your Own Good!" Let us light the pyre and sing dirges over the corpse of the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geee Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Argyle58 - as I said on another thread, we are still in mourning. Give us a few days to regroup and we shall be 'kicking and screaming" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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