Does global warming cause extreme weather?

[Geee]

American Thinker:

Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) theory supporters are in the midst of a big propaganda campaign leading to a global "Connect the Dots" day on May 5. Their goal is to convince the public that recent extreme weather events are due to global warming and that global warming is man-made.

They are preparing public opinion for the huge economic sacrifice involved in curbing carbon dioxide emissions, a process which they will demand at the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development from June 20 through 22.

So far, their propaganda campaign has been succeeding. In fact, the New York Times reported on April 17 ("In Poll, Many Link Weather Extremes to Climate Change") that the public now believes stuff that the scientists who adhere to AGW theory don't even claim to be true:

Scientists may hesitate to link some of the weather extremes of recent years to global warming -- but the public, it seems, is already there.

A poll due for release on Wednesday shows that a large majority of Americans believe that this year's unusually warm winter, last year's blistering summer and some other weather disasters were probably made worse by global warming. And by a 2-to-1 margin, the public says the weather has been getting worse, rather than better, in recent years.

The survey, the most detailed to date on the public response to weather extremes, comes atop other polling showing a recent uptick in concern about climate change. Read together, the polls suggest that direct experience of erratic weather may be convincing some people that the problem is no longer just a vague and distant threat.

Meanwhile, the mainstream media has been largely hiding from the public the actual cause of recent extreme weather events -- big amplitude swings in the jet stream. In an April 2 YouTube video (click here to see it), British astrophysicist Piers Corbyn explains why severe weather occurs regularly every 60 years, plus or minus 5 years:

Technically, they say, "Well, the big extremes are caused by changes in the track of low pressure systems as they go around the globe, and when there's big amplitude swings in this track, then you do get more extreme events." However, they don't know where these big amplitude swings come from.

However, we do understand the origin of these big amplitude swings in the jet stream, and these are caused by a mingling of solar-magnetic factors and lunar factors which is why the basic signal is the 60 year signal we've mentioned.

And for the last three years we have been in the middle of one of these peaks of big swings in the jet stream, and we are going to carry on like this for at least another year or so. And right now we are in, perhaps, the most exciting phase of this 60 year cycle.

[NCJim]

Does global warming cause extreme weather?

only if your a liberial..

[Valin]

A decrease in the temperature between he Poles and the equator leads to more storms more violent storms? This is the supposition.

[clearvision]

Temperatures have been relatively flat for about 12 years, and yet "extreme" events keep going up. Maybe there is more notice now of these events thru better tools, better communication and more people wanting to find and report them.

[pollyannaish]

I'm getting so confused.

 

So, does sun activity have anything to do with this or not?

[Evad]

It either does or it doesn't.

The point is there is NOTHING man can do about it, either to cause it OR prevent it.

[Saltbag]

I think it borders on egotism to think that mankind can effect the climate. It's a big planet.

 

You can screw up your world locally, but good luck doing it globally.

[Valin]

@pollyannaish @Evad

 

I'm getting so confused.

 

So, does sun activity have anything to do with this or not?

 

Of course it does, along with ocean currents, volcanic activity, novas/super novas in our region of space, where the solar system is in the Milkyway..(in an arm or between arms), Just about anything you can think of affects the climate, it really is all interconnected.

[RandyM]

I believe the global warming crap is just one more part of the humanistic approach. They think humans are all powerful (good or bad) and God is nowhere in the picture.

[Valin]

@RandyM

 

The problem is not Global Warming/Climate Change, the climate is always changing. The problem many have (correctly IMO) is Anthropogenic Global Warming. That man has an effect on the climate is a given, everything has an effect of the climate, the questions are A. How much an effect? Not much I say, B. Is there anything we can do about it? That would be NO, C. What is the optimal climate? This is a question never asked...and should be, D. Is the Climate warming or cooling a good thing or a bad thing? Ya got me...yes it is...no it isn't...not a clue.

[Pepper]

Meanwhile, the mainstream media has been largely hiding from the public the actual cause of recent extreme weather events -- big amplitude swings in the jet stream.

However, we do understand the origin of these big amplitude swings in the jet stream, and these are caused by a mingling of solar-magnetic factors and lunar factors which is why the basic signal is the 60 year signal we've mentioned.

 

It is hubris to think we influence solar-magnetic factors. However, lunar factors could be influenced by the loonies on the Left and East Coasts.

 

The climate has always changed. Always has, always will.

[raygun]

I'm getting so confused.

 

So, does sun activity have anything to do with this or not?

 

Nope, nada, and not a thing (it don't mean nothing)...

 

The mantra that solar irradiance is invariant - except for orbital mechanics of our planet over the course of eons - has been fed to us for years now. Where are the studies supporting this conclusion?

 

In recent memory there was a study concerning the concentrations of beryllium isotopes. The authors of the study used such convoluted and painful grammer that screamed their pain at the realization that the brightest thing in the sky apparently and seemingly might have even a slight relevence. The beryllium study has been virtually discounted since then having any relevance whatsoever. Whatever.

 

That being said, notwithstanding, and all that, I'm a weather afficianado for virtually 1/2 century and took instruction from SMTSgt back in 1980-1981 respecting the art / skill of weather observation.

 

My professonal training notwithstanding - especially since weather cert is required to be renewed ever so often - anthropgenic global warmists are playing games....

 

I'm not going to concede that global warming is occuring; I'll acquiesce to it. Although I may concede that the evidence for anthropropmorphic global warming is compelling, I'm not convinced that such is causative.

 

The issue of CO2 in the atmosphere is not like a window; it is akin to a rock in the river. I will argue that point until the naysayers agree that they just don't understand the physics...

 

 

 

We're good to go on this right?

 

O.k., then then what is holding you guys up? Uh, like 'good' science you mean?

 

Look, Mars has an atmosphere of 98% 'toxic' CO2. The temperatures are easily calculated based on CO2 concentrations.

 

Furthermore, 'global-warming' can be found throughout the solar system.

 

That 'global-warming' exists in the solar-system may or may not be true - how do we know that?

 

One conclusion absolutely and utterly sound is that 'global-warming' of Neptune, Uranus or Pluto are wholly unrelated to anthropromorphic CO2.

 

The forecast calls for pain.

[Evad]

@pollyannaish @Evad

 

I'm getting so confused.

 

So, does sun activity have anything to do with this or not?

 

Of course it does, along with ocean currents, volcanic activity, novas/super novas in our region of space, where the solar system is in the Milkyway..(in an arm or between arms), Just about anything you can think of affects the climate, it really is all interconnected.

 

AS was stated earlier, man can screw up the local environment. He can poison the air, the water, hell, he can screw up an entire bay.

But to me, anthropogenic global warming, AGW, is the biggest hoax of all.

Yeah, man probably does have some effect on temperature, probably to the same degree that throwing a sand pebble into the ocean raises the level of the seas.

[Valin]

@Evad

 

Ever hear of the Butterfly Effect?

 

The butterfly effect is a term used in chaos theory to describe how small changes to a seemingly unrelated thing or condition (also known as an initial condition) can affect large, complex systems. The term comes from the suggestion that the flapping of a butterfly's wings in South America could affect the weather in Texas, meaning that the tiniest influence on one part of a system can have a huge effect on another part. Taken more broadly, the butterfly effect is a way of describing how, unless all factors can be accounted for, large systems like the weather remain impossible to predict with total accuracy because there are too many unknown variables to track.

(Snip)

 

For what it's worth I agree anthropogenic global warming is a hoax. A hoax in that the system is so complicated that anything we do may or may not have a positive result. For that matter who's to say the warming of the climate is a bad thing? IMO The leaders in this movement fall into two categories, 1. the true believes...ie useful fools, 2. the power hungry who see this as a good way to get control of our lives.

 

 

 

[RedlegDuke]

Vlad, the problem is that while you are right, there isn't anything man can do to change the climate or correct previous effects, there is a lot of government grant money available for those unscrupulous "scientists" willing to postulate the opposite to support those in power who want to retain or expand power.

 

Remember the massive volcanic erruption that wiped out the USAF base in the Phillipines? Nobody else does, either. It pumped tons and tons of polution into the atmosphere, and a year later, other than cooling lava, there were no more effects on the Earth.

 

How about the Exon Valdez oil spill that was going to destroy the entire eco-system up in Alaska forever?

 

It is all about power and control of people by the socialists. It is all about the ignorance of the Sheeple. The products of the socialized public education, capable of repeating bromides and watching mindless television, but incapable of independent thought or research.

[Pepper]

Yeah, man probably does have some effect on temperature, probably to the same degree that throwing a sand pebble into the ocean raises the level of the seas.

 

@Evad

 

Given the right measuring instruments and the ability to hold all else constant you'd be correct.

[Evad]

Yeah, man probably does have some effect on temperature, probably to the same degree that throwing a sand pebble into the ocean raises the level of the seas.

 

@Evad

 

Given the right measuring instruments and the ability to hold all else constant you'd be correct.

True Pepper.

Just to prove it, I called my mate in Australia who has such a device and told him I was going going to throw a sand pebble in the Atlantic Ocean at precisely 12 noon EST. Allowing for the speed of oceanic movement, he did record a rise in sea level some 13 hours later of approximately .00000000000152 mm.

Case closed.

[Pepper]

@Evad

 

I noticed a slight disruption of the magnetosphere here in the States: my coffee mug rippled just a fraction, spilling almost .00000000000152 ml of hot brew on my laptop ! I would have ignored it had it not been for your verification of sand pebble event.

Uncanny.

[Valin]

@Evad

 

I noticed a slight disruption of the magnetosphere here in the States: my coffee mug rippled just a fraction, spilling almost .00000000000152 ml of hot brew on my laptop !

 

 

Are you ok? You think it might be a plot of some sort?

[nickydog]

[Evad]

@Evad

 

I noticed a slight disruption of the magnetosphere here in the States: my coffee mug rippled just a fraction, spilling almost .00000000000152 ml of hot brew on my laptop !

 

 

Are you ok? You think it might be a plot of some sort?

 

hmmm....a plot??

yeah, I think that might be it.

Come on Valin...join the fun

[Valin]

@Evad

 

I would but I'm busy dodging the Black Helicopters being flown by the Lizard People.

[Evad]

@Evad

 

I would but I'm busy dodging the Black Helicopters being flown by the Lizard People.

" Lizard People. "

 

Yeah..they've been very unhappy ever since they failed to take over after the dinosaur extinction.

 

Send me their coordinates. I've got a recently commissioned Ensign that's anxious to fire off a few tomahawks.

 

 

[Valin]

@Evad

 

I would but I'm busy dodging the Black Helicopters being flown by the Lizard People.

" Lizard People. "

 

Yeah..they've been very unhappy ever since they failed to take over after the dinosaur extinction.

 

Send me their coordinates. I've got a recently commissioned Ensign that's anxious to fire off a few tomahawks.

 

 

 

 

 

I read it on the internets...so it must be true!

[Evad]

@Evad

 

I would but I'm busy dodging the Black Helicopters being flown by the Lizard People.

" Lizard People. "

 

Yeah..they've been very unhappy ever since they failed to take over after the dinosaur extinction.

 

Send me their coordinates. I've got a recently commissioned Ensign that's anxious to fire off a few tomahawks.

 

 

 

 

 

I read it on the internets...so it must be true!

 

LOL..too much