Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control

[pollyannaish]

Hold UP.

 

As a parent and former college instructor, I actually feel sorry for this girl. She is a naive young lady who has been brought up to believe these things by the irresponsible adults around her. She has been brainwashed by the liberal american education system to believe that she has no control over her life and that she is a victim of others. Personally, I think we should leave her alone. She hasn't had any chance to know any different. Our goal, with young people like her, is not to ridicule and shame her, but to show her another way and offer her an alternative way to live. One that focuses on her taking control of her own life and making choices that break her out of perpetual victimization. We will not be able to do that if we are mean. And frankly, this is nasty.

 

What would be more helpful, in my opinion, is to save our outrage for the those who manipulate kids into thinking they are victims by the time they are in first grade...and then set them up to be publicly humiliated and ridiculed and further victimized for a cause. Our scorn should be towards Obama and Pelosi and those who would set her up to use her in this way. THEY are the abusers. THEY know what they are doing. THEY are using other weaker human beings to prostitute their message. To pull at heartstrings no matter what the devastation to the individual is. THAT is morally outrageous.

 

We need to not fall into this trap. This is a LOSING issue for us, because if we keep it up it makes us look like bullies.

 

I love Rush, but he is smarter than this. He is damaging the cause by making this too personal. We need to get off these social issues and focus on economic issues. We can win on those. Social issues are a trap in this election. A HUGE one. We are being played for fools. For the life of me I can't figure out why we are so idiotic sometimes.

 

/rant

[Rheo]

She is 30 years old and a reproductive activist.

[pollyannaish]

She is 30 years old and a reproductive activist.

 

That is true, and she is also a law student. BUT. It's about perception, not reality. She was carefully made to look younger than she is, presented as a college student, etc. It is about what people who are not politically active are going to hear/see that matters, not the truth.

 

PERCEPTION is key. The left knows this. We are still learning it on the right.

 

(She is old enough to know better. Getting out of school would help.)

 

Edited to add: She is only 4 years off of her parents healthcare by Obamacare standards. Merely a child!

 

Double edited to add: (heh) AND, not only that some of the most naive people I know are in the 30s. And still in school. The real world has a way of smacking you upside the head. In any case, we are not doing ourselves any favors by attacking the messenger. We really aren't.

[Valin]

She is 30 years old and a reproductive activist.

 

That is true, and she is also a law student. BUT. It's about perception, not reality. She was carefully made to look younger than she is, presented as a college student, etc. It is about what people who are not politically active are going to hear/see that matters, not the truth.

 

This is where we come into the picture.

[Valin]

Towmhall: Georgetown Student: Rush is Right

Mallory Carr

3/3/12

 

(Georgetown,DC) - Am I the only one at Georgetown who is not upset with Rush right now?

 

His comments regarding Sandra Fluke, third year Law student at Georgetown University, are less outrageous when viewed in the real context of the debate on Obama’s mandate for religious institutions to include contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans.

 

Fluke, in her own testimony before a Democratic panel, pointed out that the University covered birth control pills when used for the treatment of a medical condition. This is the key to understanding Limbaugh’s comments. When used for medicinal purposes and healthcare, Georgetown has no problem covering the expense of birth control under their insurance plan. Fluke’s complaint was based on the fact that it was not covered for the use as a contraceptive, which would violate the Catholic church’s beliefs.

 

(Snip)

[Rheo]

A Fargo friend is discussing Ed Schultz calling Laura Ingram a slut last year and no one says a word. He lived next door to Ed for many years and said ask Ed about his dog and hunting ethics. That is just to start.

hmmm.

[pollyannaish]

She is 30 years old and a reproductive activist.

 

That is true, and she is also a law student. BUT. It's about perception, not reality. She was carefully made to look younger than she is, presented as a college student, etc. It is about what people who are not politically active are going to hear/see that matters, not the truth.

 

This is where we come into the picture.

 

My frustration is that I have to spend time correcting stuff that we could have avoided, instead of working directly on the issue itself. That is what I mean by not helping.

[pollyannaish]

Put more clearly I hope:

 

Instead of being able to say to someone who initially identifies with her hey, look at what she is asking for, I have to spend the time crawling through the "hey, I don't think you're a slut" conversation. Oy.

 

It's the same frustration I had during the immigration debate. I hated having to go through the "we don't hate hispanics/aren't racist" stuff because once you get pulled into that, it gets tough to be heard on the "illegal" part.

 

It puts OUR team on the defensive.

[Valin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLtvd7SIwYk

[pollyannaish]

Towmhall: Georgetown Student: Rush is Right

Mallory Carr

3/3/12

 

(Georgetown,DC) - Am I the only one at Georgetown who is not upset with Rush right now?

 

His comments regarding Sandra Fluke, third year Law student at Georgetown University, are less outrageous when viewed in the real context of the debate on Obama's mandate for religious institutions to include contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans.

 

Fluke, in her own testimony before a Democratic panel, pointed out that the University covered birth control pills when used for the treatment of a medical condition. This is the key to understanding Limbaugh's comments. When used for medicinal purposes and healthcare, Georgetown has no problem covering the expense of birth control under their insurance plan. Fluke's complaint was based on the fact that it was not covered for the use as a contraceptive, which would violate the Catholic church's beliefs.

 

(Snip)

 

She is absolutely right. But the sound of her voice will be drowned out by the furor over something that could have been avoided by stating it differently.

[Valin]

A Fargo friend is discussing Ed Schultz calling Laura Ingram a slut last year and no one says a word. He lived next door to Ed for many years and said ask Ed about his dog and hunting ethics. That is just to start.

hmmm.

 

I have family in West Fargo,l and I remember when crazy Ed was populist right.

Them he decided he could get farther and make more money by going left...in other words he's a media whore.

[Valin]

Towmhall: Georgetown Student: Rush is Right

Mallory Carr

3/3/12

 

(Georgetown,DC) - Am I the only one at Georgetown who is not upset with Rush right now?

 

His comments regarding Sandra Fluke, third year Law student at Georgetown University, are less outrageous when viewed in the real context of the debate on Obama's mandate for religious institutions to include contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans.

 

Fluke, in her own testimony before a Democratic panel, pointed out that the University covered birth control pills when used for the treatment of a medical condition. This is the key to understanding Limbaugh's comments. When used for medicinal purposes and healthcare, Georgetown has no problem covering the expense of birth control under their insurance plan. Fluke's complaint was based on the fact that it was not covered for the use as a contraceptive, which would violate the Catholic church's beliefs.

 

(Snip)

 

She is absolutely right. But the sound of her voice will be drowned out by the furor over something that could have been avoided by stating it differently.

 

Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think Rush did this in order to provoke the left, and give us a teachable moment. Forget the MSM, talk to your friends and neighbors.

[pollyannaish]

A Fargo friend is discussing Ed Schultz calling Laura Ingram a slut last year and no one says a word. He lived next door to Ed for many years and said ask Ed about his dog and hunting ethics. That is just to start.

hmmm.

 

I have family in West Fargo,l and I remember when crazy Ed was populist right.

Them he decided he could get farther and make more money by going left...in other words he's a media whore.

 

I hate to say this, but most of them are. I'm sorry, but I trust very, VERY few in the media in general. Is he the left's Michael Savage?

[pollyannaish]

Towmhall: Georgetown Student: Rush is Right

Mallory Carr

3/3/12

 

(Georgetown,DC) - Am I the only one at Georgetown who is not upset with Rush right now?

 

His comments regarding Sandra Fluke, third year Law student at Georgetown University, are less outrageous when viewed in the real context of the debate on Obama's mandate for religious institutions to include contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans.

 

Fluke, in her own testimony before a Democratic panel, pointed out that the University covered birth control pills when used for the treatment of a medical condition. This is the key to understanding Limbaugh's comments. When used for medicinal purposes and healthcare, Georgetown has no problem covering the expense of birth control under their insurance plan. Fluke's complaint was based on the fact that it was not covered for the use as a contraceptive, which would violate the Catholic church's beliefs.

 

(Snip)

 

She is absolutely right. But the sound of her voice will be drowned out by the furor over something that could have been avoided by stating it differently.

 

Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think Rush did this in order to provoke the left, and give us a teachable moment. Forget the MSM, talk to your friends and neighbors.

 

Yup. That's what we have left. I just hate it when my job is made harder and I hope we will learn from it.

 

Ok. Got your point. I will not mention it again.

[Valin]

Towmhall: Georgetown Student: Rush is Right

Mallory Carr

3/3/12

 

(Georgetown,DC) - Am I the only one at Georgetown who is not upset with Rush right now?

 

His comments regarding Sandra Fluke, third year Law student at Georgetown University, are less outrageous when viewed in the real context of the debate on Obama's mandate for religious institutions to include contraceptive coverage in their healthcare plans.

 

Fluke, in her own testimony before a Democratic panel, pointed out that the University covered birth control pills when used for the treatment of a medical condition. This is the key to understanding Limbaugh's comments. When used for medicinal purposes and healthcare, Georgetown has no problem covering the expense of birth control under their insurance plan. Fluke's complaint was based on the fact that it was not covered for the use as a contraceptive, which would violate the Catholic church's beliefs.

 

(Snip)

 

She is absolutely right. But the sound of her voice will be drowned out by the furor over something that could have been avoided by stating it differently.

 

Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think Rush did this in order to provoke the left, and give us a teachable moment. Forget the MSM, talk to your friends and neighbors.

 

Yup. That's what we have left. I just hate it when my job is made harder and I hope we will learn from it.

 

One of the things I learned in my time at TOS was if I wanted to engage someone in debate, the 1st thing I had to do was get their attention...make an outrageous statement sure to get their dander up. This is what Rush did...and the left fell for it. The thing is the left thought this whole subject Abortion and that is what this is really about) had gone away, and the left could use Obamacare to push their social agenda. Rush wanted to let them know it hadn't...now let the games begin.

 

[pollyannaish]

@Valin.

 

You are right that this works very well in debate.

 

At the same time, I am better at changing minds and actions via conversation than debate. Conversation requires me to understand where another person is coming from, build trust, find common ground and explain my position and why. In that setting, it is much more difficult with inflammatory statements.

 

This is probably why I am a Prager listener rather than a Rush listener these days.

[Valin]

@Valin.

 

You are right that this works very well in debate.

 

At the same time, I am better at changing minds and actions via conversation than debate. Conversation requires me to understand where another person is coming from, build trust, find common ground and explain my position and why. In that setting, it is much more difficult with inflammatory statements.

 

This is probably why I am a Prager listener rather than a Rush listener these days.

 

Everyone brings there own pluses to the table.

 

BTW if you are up at an ungodly hour 5AM here in Mn. you might check out Bill Bennett.

[Casino67]

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Give her a few more days and Gloria Alred the media ho esq. will hitch her wagon to the Fluke. Wait and see.

[Draggingtree]

Here my radio talk shows as they come on Bennett, Michael Berry (local KTRH 740am 8am-11am & 5pm-7pm 950 KPRC am which you can go to site and download the I heart listen anywhere) next Rush, Sean and sometimes Michael Savage, I know Savage is a little weird but I get a kick out of some of what he talks about ( the Bay and his Boat ). Ban from England you know.

[Draggingtree]

Casino67 -- I would have thought Gloria would have all ready part of Ms Fluke team ( Obama )

[Casino67]

Casino67 -- I would have thought Gloria would have all ready part of Ms Fluke team ( Obama )

 

She is probably negotiating fees with the Fluke.

[Rheo]

Meet law student and feminist hero Sandra Fluke

 

 

But the 30-year-old student who stirred the debate is no novice to the political arena. Fluke has a long history of feminist advocacy: The Washington Post reported Fluke entered Georgetown Law well aware that the school’s insurance plan did not cover contraception, only to spend the next three years lobbying the school to change its policy.

 

Fluke attended Cornell University from 1999-2003, where she received a B.S. in Policy Analysis & Management and Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies.

While at Cornell, Fluke’s organized actives centered around the far-left feminist and gender equity movements. Fluke participated in rallies supporting abortion, protests against war in Iraq and efforts to recruit other womens’ rights activists to campus.

 

During that period, she gained experience engaging in disputes concerning abortion with religious organizations.

 

“We feel that the information [Cornell Coalition for Life] has out is reactionary and it’s not based on giving people information about their choices, but manipulating their emotions,” Fluke, then the treasurer of Students Acting for Gender Equality (SAGE), told The Cornell Daily Sun during a protest of a pro-life display at the school’s Ho Plaza. “We want to show people they should have a choice about a decision this important and whatever choice they make, we’ll support it,” she said.

After college, Fluke put on her career-woman hat and worked at Vintage New York for nine months before settling in at the Sanctuary for Families in New York City, where she stayed until she began law school in 2009.

 

“Sandra Fluke’s professional background in domestic violence and human trafficking began with Sanctuary for Families in New York City. There, she launched the agency’s pilot Program Evaluation Initiative,” her Public Interest Law Scholars (PILS) profile explains. “While at Sanctuary, she co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which after a twenty-year stalemate, successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Sandra was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President’s Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.”

 

During her time as a law student, according to her LinkedIn page, Fluke has engaged in a variety of internships and activities focused largely on women’s rights. She has served as the development editor for the “Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law,” co-president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice and vice president of the Georgetown Law Women’s Legal Alliance.

[righteousmomma]

So at Rush's 24/7 site:

 

 

 

A Statement from Rush

March 03, 2012

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit? In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

 

 

Gag!!! No morals, no class and now WE have to apologize???

[Rheo]

he got these words in and are crucial....

 

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?

 

 

Will the public listen.

Going to lose a lot of friends posting about it elsewhere and I'm ok with that.

[righteousmomma]

Me too! But then I have no friends - so big deal.