Exclusive: Two women accused Cain of inappropriate behavior

[Sabre86]

Cain HATES Perry with a passion and figures if he is going to go down, he'll take Perry with him, truth be damned.

 

I have no doubt that Cain has never intended to win or accept the nomination. I think he is nothing but a blocker for Romney, which is why he only goes after Perry.

 

Interesting. Could you expand? Thanks.

 

Cain was a big cheerleader for Romney in 2008, and backed him until the very end.

 

Cain says things to stir up the fringe conservatives (aka FR) and pull in their votes, knowing that all Romney needs is to maintain his 25% base (which he never rises above) and he can win, especially if Cain gives Romney all of his delegates at the convention.

 

Cain never goes after Romney beyond a few minor jabs that do no harm, but will try to nuke Perry at every opportunity.

 

Cain has said he will support anyone except Perry, and would be happy to run with or support Romney.

[Valin]

Cain HATES Perry with a passion and figures if he is going to go down, he'll take Perry with him, truth be damned.

 

I have no doubt that Cain has never intended to win or accept the nomination. I think he is nothing but a blocker for Romney, which is why he only goes after Perry.

 

Interesting. Could you expand? Thanks.

 

Cain was a big cheerleader for Romney in 2008, and backed him until the very end.

 

Cain says things to stir up the fringe conservatives (aka FR) and pull in their votes, knowing that all Romney needs is to maintain his 25% base (which he never rises above) and he can win, especially if Cain gives Romney all of his delegates at the convention.

 

Cain never goes after Romney beyond a few minor jabs that do no harm, but will try to nuke Perry at every opportunity.

 

Cain has said he will support anyone except Perry, and would be happy to run with or support Romney.

 

 

Thanks again. Wonder what the source of this "hatred" (if that's the right word) is?

[Sabre86]

Thanks again. Wonder what the source of this "hatred" (if that's the right word) is?

 

He "claims" it is about immigration, but I suspect it is because Perry is the only threat to Romney.

 

Bachmann nuked herself

Santorum, Johnson, and Huntsman have always been non-factors

Ron Paul is Ron Paul, he has his base and a few protest votes

Newt is good, but carries more baggage than a 747

 

The only person who could stop Romney from his deserved and ordained nomination is Perry and since Romney is stuck at roughly 25%, he needed someone to take out Perry and that's Cain.

[Evad]

I would think dems would wait until he was the nominee to use this stuff.

Agreed!

I sense the sick sweet smell of scared pubbie in this one.

[Evad]

Cain HATES Perry with a passion and figures if he is going to go down, he'll take Perry with him, truth be damned.

 

I have no doubt that Cain has never intended to win or accept the nomination. I think he is nothing but a blocker for Romney, which is why he only goes after Perry.

HUH? Connect the dots on that one pleeeze.

[Evad]

Cain HATES Perry with a passion and figures if he is going to go down, he'll take Perry with him, truth be damned.

 

I have no doubt that Cain has never intended to win or accept the nomination. I think he is nothing but a blocker for Romney, which is why he only goes after Perry.

HUH? Connect the dots on that one pleeeze.

Never mind...I see you did.

Verrrrry interesting point of view.

[Pepper]

Herman Cain campaign chief of staff, says Perry campaign staffers are at the bottom of the Politico smear. FoxNews.

 

Eating our own is what we seem to do best.

[nickydog]

I would think dems would wait until he was the nominee to use this stuff.

 

 

I am afraid this is just a fore taste of what is coming in the general election...no matter who the Republican nominee is. By the time this is over we are all going to need a shower.

I have already been feeling like I need a shower....

[clearvision]

This is starting to turn into one of those its not the crime but the coverup that gets you.

 

Politico now says one of the women's settlements was for $45,000 and points out in detail how Cain keeps moving his answer around. LINK

 

Speaking midday Monday at the National Press Club, Cain continued to plead ignorance: “As far as a settlement, I am unaware of any kind of settlement. I hope it wasn’t for much, because I didn’t do anything. But the fact of the matter is, I’m not aware of a settlement that came out of that accusation.”

 

Then, in a Fox interview taped Monday afternoon, Cain conceded that there was a settlement.

 

“It might have been two months [salary]. I don’t remember the exact number, but I do remember my general counsel saying, ‘The good news is, we didn’t pay all of this money that was being demanded,” the former association CEO told Greta Van Susteren, claiming the woman’s charges were “baseless.”

 

At another point in the interview, Cain said of the pay-out: “Maybe three months’ salary or something like that, just vaguely trying to recall it.”

 

But on Tuesday morning, shifted his answer again, suggesting that the terms of the payout could have been larger.

 

On CNN’s Headline News, he said: “The one I remember and am aware of and was a financial settlement and it was somewhere in the vicinity of three to six months’ severance pay, something of that nature.”

[Valin]

Who Leaked What? Is Perry Guilty? Is Cain? The Media? Does It Matter?

Derek Hunter

Nov 3rd 2011

 

Speculation has been running wild over who leaked what to whom in the Cain-sexual harassment allegations story in the last 24 hours. Frankly, who cares? If it were leaked by a Republican or a Democrat operative is the least important part of the story because it would’ve come out eventually if Cain won the nomination. What matters is what the actual allegations were, which no one seems to remember, and whether or not they were true, which no one can prove. So the story itself is in limbo and would probably have faded away in a day or two…until yesterday.

 

The Cain campaign, already having a bad week on the PR front, was desperate for a topic change. Who can blame them? They can’t rebut vague charges, so they find themselves preemptively trying to rebut fog. Out of that fog, however, came this sort of six degrees of Kevin Bacon charge that, if you connect enough dots, leads to the Perry campaign. That’s where you lose me.

 

What would Perry have to gain by bringing up these allegations? Not much.

 

Yes, Cain rose in the polls while Perry sunk, but they’re just polls. And Perry lost his support through poor debate performances, Cain didn’t win them over through strong ones. And a lot of Perry’s support, as tenuous as it was, went to Newt Gingrich too, so harming Cain wouldn’t necessarily bring support back to Perry. Especially since that support was so weak that a few less than stellar debate performances could lose it in the first place.

 

As garbage as the original Politico story was, with no specifics and second-hand speculation, the Cain campaign’s accusations against Perry are equally weak.

 

(Snip)

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CBS News: Source disputes account of Cain impropriety at Va. dinner

11/3/11

 

A Republican source who was at the dinner in which pollster Chris Wilson says Herman Cain sexually harassed a young staffer is contradicting the account, telling CBS News he never saw Cain sexually harass anyone that night, although he does remember Cain drinking.

 

"I did not see a lech," the source said.

(Snip)

 

But the source said he "didn't remember (Cain) doing anything" at the dinner, which he said was at a Ruth Chris' steakhouse in Crystal City, Virginia. The source said Cain "may have been a little drunk," but he didn't see anything inappropriate--and added that he never heard anyone discuss anything inappropriate that may have occurred. He said about a half dozen people were there.

(Snip)

 

 

Not that this will make the slightest bit of difference to the MSM.

[Valin]

ABC News: Newt Gingrich Defends “Friend” Herman Cain

 

(Snip)

On WBS this morning, Gingrich defended Cain on recent sexual harassment allegations, saying the media is on a witch hunt for Cain.

 

“Here’s a situation where we’ve got a guy who’s the front runner for the Republican nomination, has a serious proposal on tax policy: 999, whether you like or dislike it, it is a serious big idea,” Gingrich said. “He’s out there trying to help a country that’s in desperate trouble, and he has gotten more coverage over the last few days over gossip.”

 

On Saturday, the two will attend a media-less, unmoderated two-hour Hunter-Douglass style debate, sponsored by the Texas Tea Party Patriots PAC. Gingrich called it a mutual conversation on WBS this morning.

(Snip)

[Evad]

IF Herman escapes this one unscathed, he is the true teflon man.

I don't think it will happen. The vultures smell blood and are coming out of the wood work.

[Valin]

IF Herman escapes this one unscathed, he is the true teflon man.

I don't think it will happen. The vultures smell blood and are coming out of the wood work.

 

A couple of points...

A. This is but the opening volley in what we can expect to see in the general election...it's going to be really dirty, as I don't think Obama can run on his record and win. This is assuming the economy stays stagnant.

 

B. (Cross posted on the Herman Cain thread)

Wasington Post: Cain rises in Post-ABC poll despite scandal; most Republicans dismiss allegations

Jon Cohen

November 4

 

 

Businessman Herman Cain and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney are running nearly even atop the field of 2012 GOP presidential hopefuls, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows, with most Republicans dismissing the harassment allegations that over the past week have roiled Cain’s campaign.

 

Seven in 10 Republicans say reports that Cain made unwanted advances toward two employees when he was head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s — allegations which have been stiffly rebutted by Cain’s campaign — do not matter when it comes to picking a candidate.

 

(Snip)

 

Nearly a quarter of all Republicans and GOP-leaning independents now back Cain as the party’s nominee, his best showing in Post-ABC polls this year, and up significantly from early October. At 23 percent nationally, Cain is neck-and-neck with Romney (24 percent) atop the GOP field.

(Snip)

 

In the poll, a majority of Republicans — 55 percent — see reports of Cain’s alleged misconduct as “not a serious matter,” and 70 percent say the situation makes no difference in their vote.

 

At the same time, there is clearly a risk to Cain’s campaign should the allegations stick: Sizable numbers of Republicans (37 percent) and GOP-leaning independents (42 percent) see the allegations against Cain as serious ones. In this combined group, Romney is well ahead, with 31 percent support. Cain slips numerically into third place, behind Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

(Snip)

 

C. As I've said before...The good thing about Herman is he's not a politician, the bad thing about Herman is he's not a politician. A good politician and the campaign would have been all over this right from the start, and it would never have taken off. This (and other gaffs) should give us pause, as he has a tendency to shoot from the hip.

 

 

This is what I like about a long campaign, it gives us time to really look at the candidates, and gives the candidates ample opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot....and how they recover. Remember the MSM is going to really go after whoever the GOP nominee is, better to watch them now rather than next fall.

[clearvision]

One woman's lawyer says Cain may not have known about her settlement because he might have been gone from the NRA. Cain did not sign it.

 

The settlement agreement between the National Restaurant Association and a woman who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment was reached in September 1999--and was not signed by Cain himself, according to Joel Bennett, a lawyer for the woman.

 

Bennett, who has a copy of the settlement agreement, said four people signed it: the woman, two lawyers representing the association and Bennett himself.

 

Bennett said the agreement was resolved relatively quickly, about two or three months after she complained.

 

That means it may have been reached after Cain left the association, and Bennett said it's conceivable that Cain didn't even know about it.

[Valin]

RCP Video: Politico's Martin Still Can't Explain Exactly What Herman Cain Did

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