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WATCH: Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan Debate Left’s New Definition Of Racism, ‘Unpopular’ But Effective Solutions


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"When you teach people that they are the victims of a society, it makes it very difficult for them to succeed."

Jul 23, 2020

In a wide-ranging interview Wednesday, Daily Wire Editor Emeritus Ben Shapiro talked with fellow podcast host Joe Rogan about the Left’s new definition of racism and some “unpopular” but “empirically correct” solutions to racial inequality that at times had the two hosts at odds.

The interview began with the two talking about an issue that has impacted both men personally and that is rooted in some of the larger problems they went on to address in the nearly two-hour exchange: the rapid decline of Los Angeles due to “progressive” policies that have resulted in an explosion in homelessness and increasingly lawless behavior, as displayed in the recent social justice riots.

The two podcast hosts both expressed surprise at the rate of the deterioration of the city and pointed to the broader issues it highlights – effective law enforcement policies and racial unrest.



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