Despite Secession Talk, Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

[Draggingtree]

The Pew Charitable Trusts

Despite Secession Talk, Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

May 04, 2017 By Mindy Fetterman

Editor's Note: This story has been updated to correctly say the 10th Amendment relates to state powers.

APPOMATTOX COURT HOUSE, Va. — When two generals signed papers here 152 years ago bringing the Civil War to a close, they ended the bid by 11 Southern states to secede from the Union. And that, most believed, was that.

Yet ever since the South’s Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered to the North’s Gen. Ulysses S. Grant in 1865, groups across the United States have advocated seceding from the country, their own states, or in a few cases, their cities. Recently, these efforts have ranged from fairly large, ongoing campaigns in Texas and California to smaller pushes in Oklahoma, Maine, Utah, West Virginia and New York’s Long Island, among others.  

Just last month, a longshot effort to allow Californians to vote on seceding fell apart after one of the founders dropped out amid criticism of his ties to Russia. But a new group pushing secession has vowed to collect the nearly 600,000 signatures required by July to put the measure on the November 2018 ballot       

[clearvision]

The logistics alone seem insurmountable. Defense (you think you get to keep your tanks/planes/ships?), Paid in SS, Medicare, Postal Service, Trade, Money, Banking, Disaster Funds, Home Loans (FHA, etc.), Power Grid, Internet infrastructure, Water Rights, Air Travel.  Sure most could be dealt with, but the cost and time to recreate, separate and manage it all seems overwhelming in even a couple of years time.

[Valin]

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But the U.S. Constitution doesn’t address the issue of secession

 

True, but John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln had something to say about  it. 

[nickydog]

7 hours ago, clearvision said:

The logistics alone seem insurmountable. Defense (you think you get to keep your tanks/planes/ships?), Paid in SS, Medicare, Postal Service, Trade, Money, Banking, Disaster Funds, Home Loans (FHA, etc.), Power Grid, Internet infrastructure, Water Rights, Air Travel.  Sure most could be dealt with, but the cost and time to recreate, separate and manage it all seems overwhelming in even a couple of years time.

Heavens, I don't think it could be accomplished in a decade!

[Draggingtree]

13 hours ago, Valin said:

 

True, but John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln had something to say about  it. 

I expected this kind of answer from you knowing you are in Klobuchar country. 

 

[Draggingtree]

19 hours ago, clearvision said:

The logistics alone seem insurmountable. Defense (you think you get to keep your tanks/planes/ships?), Paid in SS, Medicare, Postal Service, Trade, Money, Banking, Disaster Funds, Home Loans (FHA, etc.), Power Grid, Internet infrastructure, Water Rights, Air Travel.  Sure most could be dealt with, but the cost and time to recreate, separate and manage it all seems overwhelming in even a couple of years time.

Hmmmmmmmmm 

[Valin]

1 hour ago, Draggingtree said:

I expected this kind of answer from you knowing you are in Klobuchar country. 

 

Secession Talk is just as silly today as it was when Obama was President.

[Draggingtree]

On 5/7/2017 at 0:57 PM, Valin said:

Secession Talk is just as silly today as it was when Obama was President.

Why the Southern Tradition is Winning

By Brion McClanahan on May 10, 2017

The title of this piece may seem odd in light of recent events in New Orleans and the mass hysteria over all things Confederate since June 2015. Monuments have come down, flags have been furled, and streets have been renamed.

 

While these are certainly loses, they are mere skirmishes in a wider cultural war that the Left is losing. They know it, but they don’t want you to realize it, and their allies in the mainstream media keep peppering the news cycle with stories trumpeting their “successes.” This is done to demoralize the opposition.

 

But consider the following:

 

1. Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election following an election strategy that mirrored Nixon’s “Silent Majority” 1972 campaign. Nixon relied heavily on Southern votes that cycle and Trump’s political agenda, while not entirely backed by Southern antecedents, contains core components that are recognized elements of the Southern tradition. Not “racism and bigotry” as the Leftist media would claim, but anti-establishment, blue-collar populism.     https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/why-the-southern-tradition-is-winning/