Before Grassroots Conservatives Take The Speck Out Of The Establishment’s Eye,...

[Valin]

Townhall:

John Hawkins

Apr 16, 2016

 

There’s just something about the swamp gas of D.C. that seems to turn diehard conservatives wimpy, out-of-touch and punishingly dull the moment they get into the GOP leadership. Maybe it’s something the lobbyists are sticking in the hors d'oeuvres at all the fancy cocktail parties they attend. Whatever’s causing it, movement conservatives are entirely justified in being furious at the way the GOP Leadership has behaved over the last few years. The grassroots wanted conservatives who’d represent their interests and they got pod people who spend most of their time servilely catering to Obama and a business lobby that doesn’t have the best interests of the American people at heart.

 

Unfortunately, for far too many people on our side, this is where their critique of Republicans begins and ends. They start with the premise that the establishment is bad, which is true, but then they go haywire and attribute all bad things to the establishment.

 

I wish that were true. I wish all we’d need to do to fix the Republican Party, the conservative movement and the country would be to flush Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, John Cornyn and a few other guys along with all their orbiters and everything would be fine. But, it’s not.

 

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[SrWoodchuck]

@Valin! Couple of comments:

1.) Absolutely agree with this point.

What have we done to change our state colleges, which are often hostile environments for conservatives? Are we threatening to pull our kids out of school? Are we pressuring Republican state legislators to cut funds if colleges hire communists and terrorists as professors? Are we doing anything of significance to stop the brainwashing of college kids that is being done with our tax dollars?

 

 

2.) Kind of agree with some of this. Great analogy about politics, as latrines are also built downstream from where you draw your water. Conservatives believe in a fatal misconception. They think that progressive change is the same as conservative belief in personal freedom. It's not. Conservatives espouse the credo of allowing everyone freedom to live & be different. Progressives will not allow any dissent. They're rabid for forced conformation to their ideals. Liberals are more aggressive. Their construct is (small "d") democracy...and they're trying to shift the nation away from a Republic. Everyone must be equal...even if they have to beat them down to fit into their "middle" class. Reality shows that they want only two classes: Elite rulers & the rest of the workers.

They cannot allow freedom...because freedom contains the seeds of change...and how would conservatives ever be enlightened enough to know what they really want? It's not always laziness. It's simple courtesy as a life choice. The values that conservatives hold diverge from liberal values at this point. Conservatives believe that one should not have to scream at others & poop on police cars to prove the rightness of their logic. We want to be left alone & let others have that same privilege...but this article for right or wrong...highlights that in order to have our lives remain comfortable, we may have to change & be more aggressive. The result of 7+ years of "community organizing" and agitation for change. In reality, logic should prevail over belief...but we are not living in reality.

 

As the late, great Andrew Breitbart said, “Politics is downstream from culture.” So what are we doing to change that culture? Are we boycotting musicians, actors and companies that trash conservative values? Not really, which makes no sense because the Left is very effective at doing that and conservatives used to be good at it, too. Are we supporting our local churches that are fighting the good fight or are we watching as they fade into irrelevance because they have no idea how to compete for young people in a digital age? Have you ever noticed that liberals do much better when you poll “adults” instead of likely voters or registered voters? What that tells you is that the culture is even more liberal than you’d think from looking at how people vote. If we’re not willing to do anything to change it, why should we expect it to change?

 

 

3.) The Tea Party was also actively used & then shucked by the GOPe...and has had a constant pogrom of harassment by the Jarrett administration, using arms of government (not just the IRS) to stifle their grassroots power. The TP represent a threat to the establishment politicians, progressives & also to big business. They represent limited government and small business. Crony capitalism cannot be threatened by either...and their donations to lib politicians & establishment alike are threatened by the ideals of the Tea Party. They didn't think we'd have to fight their "own side." This pRez election reflects that. Who wants to be hit in the head with a hammer every time they raise their head?

 

It’s conventional wisdom that the Tea Party movement had a big impact in a couple of elections, brought in some new Republicans and then mostly faded away. Did we do all we could have with that big national movement? In some areas, the Tea Party made a huge difference, but in too many other places, the Tea Party broke apart into factions, each run by a little Indian who wanted to be a big chief. Although we initially drew people in with rallies, most groups were unable to up the ante the way liberals do. No big music acts, no giant puppet heads, no rebellious fun, just more and more long boring speeches about the Constitution and the Federalist Papers from people who made it on stage not because they can talk, but because they were political allies. Eventually, few people wanted to turn up for that kind of show anymore and Tea Parties faded away.

 

[Valin]

@SrWoodchuck

 

 

the Tea Party was also actively used & then shucked by the GOPe

 

Don't see that. much of the Tea Party has been absorbed into The Party or walked away from politics altogether....BTW this is something Karl Rove said they should not do. The analysis that the Tea Party pushed was and is correct. The problem is too many wanted and still want the corrections to the problems (big intrusive expensive government) done NOW. Something Mark Levin said a couple of years ago (I paraphrase) "It has taken us 80 years to get to this point, and it may take that long to get out of this."

[SrWoodchuck]

@SrWoodchuck

 

 

the Tea Party was also actively used & then shucked by the GOPe

 

Don't see that. much of the Tea Party has been absorbed into The Party or walked away from politics altogether....BTW this is something Karl Rove said they should not do. The analysis that the Tea Party pushed was and is correct. The problem is too many wanted and still want the corrections to the problems (big intrusive expensive government) done NOW. Something Mark Levin said a couple of years ago (I paraphrase) "It has taken us 80 years to get to this point, and it may take that long to get out of this."

 

@Valin Disagree with some of your reply.

 

The Tea Party was used to gain control of both Houses of Congress. The GOPe actively used them and then neutered some of the most vocal representatives that were elected, campaigned against & either refused to fund, or used Progressive tactics to save Good Ol' Boy professional politician Repubs that the TP tried to primary out...and then co-opted (these were "absorbed" by the party) others.

 

Karl Rove was & is an elite GOPe "white-board" clown, that was right twice ("43"x2) and ever afterwards lost his ability to pick anything but his nose. That he uttered something resembling "keeping the Tea Party" I will not dispute. That he meant it, is not fact, based on his actions & representations as a political analyst. He's a snake. He's also been almost completely wrong on his predictions & exhortations for a Republican path to victory in presidential elections; and visibly seen as aiding the GOPe in their attempt to keep the Good Ol' Boys in power, and keep limited government candidates from reaching victories in Congress.

 

Finally, the Tea Party constituency has never been defended by the GOPe & was instead; silently watched as it was attacked by regulatory agencies of the Jarrett/Oblunder cabal. Why? Because it fit their needs, now that they had their Congressional victories. And, no, the Tea Party wasn't absorbed into the establishment party. They went Independent, or as in 2012, stayed home from the polls.

 

You can't believe that any sane person would support Trump. The GOPe created Trump & this groundswell for him; by their own actions. It represents the people that gave the GOPe their Congressional victories & now intend to punish the GOPe with a Trump vote. You should consider it an F.U., with a kiss. The vote for Cruz is also Tea Party constituency that have seen the damage of staying away from the polls,and understand that anger should be channeled. You & I both know, what the GOPe thinks of Cruz. They'll use him to get over Trump in the primary & then use some ruse or rule to get a brokered convention, where..."anything can happen."

 

Finally, it may take another 80 years to return to limited government, but it won't involve the GOPe. They've been at the trough too long. I probably won't be alive to see it, but a reckoning is coming. Unfortunately, it may include the loss of the American Constitutional Republic, our rights & freedom. If so, the GOPe are worse than the Progressives...at least they're not afraid to tell you, to your face, what they want & then actively pursue it; no matter how evil. There's some honor in that.

[SrWoodchuck]