Obama at National Prayer Breakfast: "people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ".

[Pepper]

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"People committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ”

 

 

At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama reminded attendees that violence rooted in religion isn’t exclusive to Islam, but has been carried out by Christians as well.

 

Obama said that even though religion is a source for good around the world, there will always be people willing to “hijack religion for their own murderous ends.”

 

“Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

[Pepper]

Grand Imam Obama speaking on the evils in the modern world.

 

“Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

 

All that Crusades and Inquisition stuff happened last month, Jim Crow was last week. Humans make no progress. America is not exceptional.

 

The only thing I will give him credit for is NOT saying

 

"folks committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ"

[NCTexan]

In defense of medieval Christian actions... they had been unduly taunted by the French and many others of their day...

 

Here's video proof of some of the milder abuse they faced.

Things were tough back then President Obama. No wonder they may have over-reacted at times.

 

 

@Pepper @SrWoodchuck

[Pepper]

@NCTexan

 

I f*rt in your general direction

[NCTexan]

@NCTexan

 

I f*rt in your general direction

 

@Pepper

 

I've learned to always walk up-wind from you buddy.

[righteousmomma]

Love Monty Python!

 

Back to the 0 -- and to quote Rush because he echos my own incredulity at the 0

 

Why would you attempt to downplay Islamist extremism? Why would you attempt to put in perspective the actions being taken today by Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Boko Haram and the Khorasan Group and all of the rest of them by claiming that just as many atrocities have taken place in the name of Christ? Why in the world would you make that point? Why in the world would you even be thinking that way?

 

 

Yes, why???

Btw I know its has become politically incorrect for "Christians " to use the word "crusade" but can we all remind ourselves that the Crusades were an organized military action? Not raping, killing, torturing children, women and men because they were infidels.

Online New Oxford American Dictionary:

a medieval military expedition, one of a series made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries.

 

I cannot fathom what the earth would be like today IF the Crusades never happened.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

It should be noted that the Crusades did bring back knowledge from the Byzantine Empire that led to the Renaissance. Christianity actually left the Dark Ages, Islamic fundamentalism didn't.

[righteousmomma]

Great point, WestVirginiaRebel.

 

 

Edited to add that true Christianity brings freedom and equality.

[SrWoodchuck]

Two thoughts:

 

One thousand years ago.....Muslims & Christians freely killed in the name of their God. Today.....only Muslims freely kill in the name of their God.

 

The Old Testament has been used as an example of comparison to the Quran, in terms of violence & killing. Today's Christians, believe the Old Testament was a recording of History, but more importantly it was a foretelling of delivery from death, by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Therefore, we accept the New Testament as our life guide. It tells that submission to Love conquers all....not submission to religious belief or death. The Quran? Not so much.

[nickydog]

If I had been at that event today I am absolutely certain I would have stood up and walked out.

 

On the other hand, I just realized I wouldn't have been there. If I can't stand the sound of his voice on the TV I'm sure I never would have attended that event, so my reaction to what he said has been limited to the privacy of my own home, which is probably a good thing.

Edited February 5, 2015 by nickydog

[Valin]

It should be noted that the Crusades did bring back knowledge from the Byzantine Empire that led to the Renaissance. Christianity actually left the Dark Ages, Islamic fundamentalism didn't.

 

 

It should also be pointed out that the last crusade was over in.... the late 1200's

[Valin]

[righteousmomma]

Sorry, bro Valin, I had rather be forced to eat liver - raw - and clean up the vomit afterwards than listen to that pretender in chief, wolf in sheep's clothing.

[NCTexan]

Sorry, bro Valin, I had rather be forced to eat liver - raw - and clean up the vomit afterwards than listen to that pretender in chief, wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

And crypto-muslim I might add... but not so "crypto" these day.

[Casino67]

Ali Karti at the National Prayer Breakfast: The story keeps getting uglier @ http://sudanreeves.org/2015/02/05/ali-karti-at-the-national-prayer-breakfast-the-story-keeps-getting-uglier-5-november-2015/

 

The presence of Khartoum génocidaire Ali Karti at today’s National Prayer Breakfast makes a mockery of the number one priority of the “Human Rights Violators and War Crimes Unit” (http://www.ice.gov/human-rights-violators-war-crimes-unit) of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Homeland Security Investigations:

 

“To prevent the admission of foreign war crimes suspects, persecutors, and human rights abusers into the United States”

 

It is well known to both these agencies—or certainly should be—that current Foreign Minister Karti was appointed head of the notoriously brutal Popular Defense Forces in 1997. As such, he had direct command responsibility for the commission of countless atrocity crimes—war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide in the Nuba Mountains and former Western Upper Nile.

 

He also bears major responsibility for events in Darfur, including most recently ardently supporting the expulsion of senior UN humanitarian officials, including UN resident and humanitarian coordinator Ali al-Zaatari. Karti also threatened more such groundless expulsions. Further, Karti took the lead in preventing a proper investigation of the mass rapes at Tabit, North Darfur. A forthcoming Human Rights Watch report (see below) will make clear that Karti’s obdurate denial that these rapes occurred is yet another lie by the Khartoum regime in service of obscuring atrocity crimes in Darfur. Beyond all this, Karti has also been part of the increasingly rabid persecution of Christians, especially in and around Khartoum.

 

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Obama's kind of guy.

[righteousmomma]

Casino67, from the link:

 

 

It is well known to both these agencies—or certainly should be—that current Foreign Minister Karti was appointed head of the notoriously brutal Popular Defense Forces in 1997. As such, he had direct command responsibility for the commission of countless atrocity crimes—war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide in the Nuba Mountains and former Western Upper Nile.

He also bears major responsibility for events in Darfur, including most recently ardently supporting the expulsion of senior UN humanitarian officials, including UN resident and humanitarian coordinator Ali al-Zaatari. Karti also threatened more such groundless expulsions. Further, Karti took the lead in preventing a proper investigation of the mass rapes at Tabit, North Darfur. A forthcoming Human Rights Watch report (see below) will make clear that Karti’s obdurate denial that these rapes occurred is yet another lie by the Khartoum regime in service of obscuring atrocity crimes in Darfur. Beyond all this, Karti has also been part of the increasingly rabid persecution of Christians, especially in and around Khartoum.

So just how did Karti obtain his State Department visa for a non-official visit? State won’t answer; special envoy for Sudan Donald Booth has declared “We didn’t invite him.” Since he is a presidential envoy, Booth is perforce speaking for the Obama administration as a whole.........

 

What should have been a day of national and international celebration and reflections on the meaning of faith in the modern world has devolved into a spectacle in which a known war criminal was sitting with President Obama and the Dalai Lama. Instead of properly commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide, the Breakfast may best be remembered as the occasion that.....that his administration—one way or another—facilitated the attendance of a man with a long history of atrocity crimes and complicity in genocide.

It is, I repeat, a day of national disgrace.

 

A DAY OF NATIONAL DISGRACE -- Exactly how I felt. For the first time in my life I am truly ashamed of a president of my country.

[righteousmomma]

Trying to draw moral equivalence between Christianity and Islamic terrorism cannot be done.

 

However when all is said and done -- I thought the 0 has been saying for months now that this "terrorism" has nothing to do with religion.

Well then?????

 

Btw, Todd Starnes mentions this in his blog:

............“They are following the example of their founder Muhammad who slaughtered and beheaded those who opposed him,” Jeffress said.

While the Crusades were terrible, Jeffress pointed out they were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim aggression – an issue he writes about in his book.

As you might imagine – the president’s remarks did not go over well among conservatives. My friend Michelle Malkin put it nicely:

"ISIS chops off heads, incinerates hostages, kills gays, enslaves girls. Obama: Blame the Crusades," she tweeted.

I was puzzled by something else President Obama said: "We are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion for their nihilistic ends."

What did he mean by “our religion”? Whose religion? And why did he compare the Crusades to ISIS

The Crusades ended some 700 years ago. Perhaps the president should be a bit more concerned with the Islamic jihad being waged in this century."

 

(Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary, heard on hundreds of radio stations.)

 

imo the 0 is a dedicated lefty intellectually elite secularist. His remarks prove one lie for sure: He DID hear what Jeremiah Wright proclaimed for 20 years.

[nickydog]

I am not so much ashamed of our president as I am horrified.

 

@Rokke emailed to me this morning the remarks of the main speaker at yesterday's breakfast, Darrell Waltrip. He was a NASCAR driver and now commentator on Fox sports network for the races. He was excellent, and even inserted the words "high horse" twice into his speech. What has our nation come to that we can be proud of the words from a NASCAR driver, but not our president?

[rftech01]

Sorry, bro Valin, I had rather be forced to eat liver - raw - and clean up the vomit afterwards than listen to that pretender in chief, wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

That kind of sums up my feelings too. Thanks for the mental viisual, I think.

[Valin]

I am not so much ashamed of our president as I am horrified.

 

@Rokke emailed to me this morning the remarks of the main speaker at yesterday's breakfast, Darrell Waltrip. He was a NASCAR driver and now commentator on Fox sports network for the races. He was excellent, and even inserted the words "high horse" twice into his speech. What has our nation come to that we can be proud of the words from a NASCAR driver, but not our president?

 

http://youtu.be/wRzVBlerYhk

 

 

 

[nickydog]

@Valin

 

That was good. I didn't start following NASCAR until 12 years ago when my then 4-year old grandson asked me who my favorite driver was. I had to watch to choose someone and got hooked, much to the delight of my husband who has followed car racing all his life. So I only know of D.W. from his commentary, but have always liked him. Now I like him even more.

[Cyber_Liberty]

 

It should be noted that the Crusades did bring back knowledge from the Byzantine Empire that led to the Renaissance. Christianity actually left the Dark Ages, Islamic fundamentalism didn't.

 

 

It should also be pointed out that the last crusade was over in.... the late 1200's

 

 

If the muzzies keep this crap up, future Historians will say the last Crusade was over in the early 21st Century.

[Valin]

 

 

It should be noted that the Crusades did bring back knowledge from the Byzantine Empire that led to the Renaissance. Christianity actually left the Dark Ages, Islamic fundamentalism didn't.

 

 

It should also be pointed out that the last crusade was over in.... the late 1200's

 

 

If the muzzies keep this crap up, future Historians will say the last Crusade was over in the early 21st Century.

 

 

 

As I recall Bernard Lewis writing the The Crusades were not a big deal in the middle east until after WWI, and the fall of the Caliphate.

[Valin]

@Valin

 

That was good. I didn't start following NASCAR until 12 years ago when my then 4-year old grandson asked me who my favorite driver was. I had to watch to choose someone and got hooked, much to the delight of my husband who has followed car racing all his life. So I only know of D.W. from his commentary, but have always liked him. Now I like him even more.

 

 

Growing up I was always more of a formula 1, and drag racing guy.

[Draggingtree]