ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010

[Argyle58]

Does anyone watch CBS Evening News? Have they covered this story? Do any of the broadcast networks cover it?

 

 

CBS is actually the only network covering this story besides FOX. They were the one's who broke the story that Holder had been briefed in as early as June of 2010.

[RandyM]

Can you imagine how ATF agents even remotely involved in this fubar operation feel? Every one of them probably knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that their big boss Holder knew about F&F from the earliest stages. Imagine how abandoned they feel right now... how abandoned they've felt for the last three years since Obama took office. The reputations of DOJ and ATF are now so far in the crapper it will take a multitude of Attaboys to overcome this one Aw-Sh!t. Sad.

 

 

Not sure I'm willing to say "From The Earliest Stages", but certainly earlier than he said. In addition I have (want?) to think that at some point someone had to say...lets step back and rethink this! Are we really really really sure we want to go with this plan.

 

Probably every field agent in the country said let's step back and rethink this. And someone (or several someones) in the ivory towers kept saying, "Yes, yes, yes, we really, really , really want to do this."

[Rheo]

Weasel Zippers

 

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa says the next phase of his investigation into the “Fast and Furious” controversy will target top Justice Department officials to determine “what did they know and when did they know it?”

 

In an interview on “Fox News Sunday,” the California Republican suggested that Attorney General Eric Holder knew about the risky gun trafficking operation with Mexican drug cartels months before the time frame he acknowledged in congressional testimony earlier this year. And Issa said he would issue subpoenas as soon as this week to the Justice Department, calling elements of the program “a felony.”

 

Holder has denied that he was aware of the details of the operation until a couple weeks before he testified earlier this year, an assertion Issa called “disingenuous on its face.”

 

“Very clearly he had to know when Brian Terry was killed and everyone realized these were Fast and Furious weapons,” Issa said, referring to the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent. “He had to know something serious had happened, and that’s months before he says he knew. If we assume for a moment he didn’t know, the question is, is he competent? If in fact a border patrol agent has been murdered, 2,000 weapons have gone [missing], this program has completely gone off the rails — why didn’t he know?”

[Valin]

Weasel Zippers

 

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa says the next phase of his investigation into the “Fast and Furious” controversy will target top Justice Department officials to determine “what did they know and when did they know it?”

 

In an interview on “Fox News Sunday,” the California Republican suggested that Attorney General Eric Holder knew about the risky gun trafficking operation with Mexican drug cartels months before the time frame he acknowledged in congressional testimony earlier this year. And Issa said he would issue subpoenas as soon as this week to the Justice Department, calling elements of the program “a felony.”

 

Holder has denied that he was aware of the details of the operation until a couple weeks before he testified earlier this year, an assertion Issa called “disingenuous on its face.”

 

“Very clearly he had to know when Brian Terry was killed and everyone realized these were Fast and Furious weapons,” Issa said, referring to the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent. “He had to know something serious had happened, and that’s months before he says he knew. If we assume for a moment he didn’t know, the question is, is he competent? If in fact a border patrol agent has been murdered, 2,000 weapons have gone [missing], this program has completely gone off the rails — why didn’t he know?”

 

 

For those of us who ain't gots no edumakayshuns an kant reed...you know Conservatives.

[Rheo]

CBS News has learned a congressional subpoena directed to Attorney General Eric Holder could go out as early as Tuesday, ordering him to turn over documents to lawmakers about when he was aware of a controversial gun smuggling operation known as Fast and Furious.

 

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports the the subpoena will come from the House Oversight Committee, led by Republican Darrell Issa. It will ask for communications among senior Justice Department officials related to Fast and Furious and “gunwalking.”

 

Weasel Zippers

[Valin]

CBS News has learned a congressional subpoena directed to Attorney General Eric Holder could go out as early as Tuesday, ordering him to turn over documents to lawmakers about when he was aware of a controversial gun smuggling operation known as Fast and Furious.

 

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports the the subpoena will come from the House Oversight Committee, led by Republican Darrell Issa. It will ask for communications among senior Justice Department officials related to Fast and Furious and “gunwalking.”

 

Weasel Zippers

 

 

The Holder Justice Dept. will hand everything over by the turn of the decade...you have my word on that!

[Valin]

CBS News has learned a congressional subpoena directed to Attorney General Eric Holder could go out as early as Tuesday, ordering him to turn over documents to lawmakers about when he was aware of a controversial gun smuggling operation known as Fast and Furious.

 

CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports the the subpoena will come from the House Oversight Committee, led by Republican Darrell Issa. It will ask for communications among senior Justice Department officials related to Fast and Furious and “gunwalking.”

 

Weasel Zippers

 

 

The Holder Justice Dept. will hand everything over by the turn of the decade...you have my word on that!

 

 

RCP video: Rep. Darrell Issa on Sean Hannity show

[Valin]

Now don't you feel better?

[Rheo]

Issa Subpoenas Holder for Fast and Furious Documents

 

Citing recent revelations in the investigation into a failed sting operation against Mexican drug cartels, the House’s lead investigator served Attorney General Eric Holder with a subpoena on Wednesday, requesting a range of documents related to the cross-border law enforcement effort.

 

“Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged,” Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee said in a statement.

[Valin]

The "Fast and Furious" investigation has branched off from guns to explosives as allegations surface that an American smuggled grenade-making materials into Mexico for drug cartels. Sharyl Attkisson reports.

Drip...Drip...Drip

[Valin]

UPI: Issa: AG knew about 'Fast and Furious'

10/16/11

 

WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 (UPI) -- Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Sunday he thinks U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder knew more about Operation Fast and Furious than he has admitted.

 

Issa is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is investigating the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Terry was killed by guns the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives sold to purchasers in Mexico in an attempt to build a case against organized crime in the country. Issa said Holder told him he only knew about the operation after Terry's death.

 

"In this case, these inconsistencies and the fact that the family is still not getting the kind of treatment you would expect as crime victims and crime victims of a law enforcement officer cause us to say, well, let's look at the FBI," Issa said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

(Snip)

 

 

 

Drip...Drip...Drip...Drip

[clearvision]

Oh look! Iran has nuclear weapons capability, we need to do something.

[Valin]

Oh look! Iran has nuclear weapons capability, we need to do something.

 

 

This obviously calls for a strongly worded apology toward the Mullahs by "The One"!

[Valin]

Townhall: ATF Ignored Death Threats, Tried to Frame Whistleblower Agent to Cover Corruption

Katie Pavlich

10/21/11

 

Jay Dobyns is a father, husband and 25-year, highly respected and highly decorated Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms Special Agent. He was the first law enforcement agent to ever successfully infiltrate multiple layers of the notoriously dangerous and violent Hells Angels motorcycle gang through "Operation Black Biscuit." He has described the Hells Angels as having their "PhDs in violence," and worked undercover in the gang for two years. Dobyns has dedicated his life to undercover service for ATF and took a bullet through the lung at one point for the agency. Luckily, he survived.

 

Dobyns has put number of the nations’ most violent criminals behind bars, which naturally comes with threats from those criminals and their buddies in return. After he finished his work bringing down the Hells Angels, things were no different.

 

Approximately a year after Operation Black Biscuit concluded beginning in 2004 through 2008, Dobyns and ATF became aware of credible and substantial violent threats against him and his family. Those threats included plans to murder him either with a bullet or by injecting him with the AIDS virus, kidnapping and torturing his then 15-year-old daughter and kidnapping his wife in order to videotape a gang rape of her. Dobyns and ATF also learned contracts were solicited between the Hells Angels, the Aryan Brotherhood and the MS-13 gang to carry out these threats.

 

(Snip)

 

 

 

 

"Just Scorching"

Phoenix Field Division William Newell

 

 

If you are interested...

No Angel: My Harrowing Undercover Journey to the Inner Circle of the Hells Angels

[SrWoodchuck]

Great links, Valin! Thank you.

 

Could it be that the rumor from the Obama administration regarding the elimination of the BATFE, is to again cover-up the trails of their crimes? Shut it down, transfer people & let it die?

[Valin]

Great links, Valin! Thank you.

 

Could it be that the rumor from the Obama administration regarding the elimination of the BATFE, is to again cover-up the trails of their crimes? Shut it down, transfer people & let it die?

 

 

Maybe...wish them luck trying to make this go away...they're gonna need it.

 

Which begs the question which is worse Fast and Furious or Solyndra?

 

 

Someone is going to need a bigger bus!

[Casino67]

Which begs the question which is worse Fast and Furious or Solyndra?

 

No one was murdered at Solyndra, at least not that we know of.

[Valin]

Which begs the question which is worse Fast and Furious or Solyndra?

 

No one was murdered at Solyndra, at least not that we know of.

 

 

I am of the opinion (freely given and worth almost that much) the the Obama administration just stumbled into Fast and Furious, where as with Solyndra they knew just what they were doing. So I'd say Solyndra is worse. Of course both are pretty darn bad....people really need to do some hard time for both.