Nine Fort Hood Officers Face Disciplinary Action

[Valin]

The Investigative Project on Terrorism :

IPT News
Mar 11, 2011

Army Secretary John McHugh has ordered disciplinary action for nine unnamed officers in the Fort Hood shooting, according to NBC News. Although the Army's investigation noted that "no single event" led to the massacre, "certain officers" in command of Major Nidal Hasan "failed to meet the high standards expected of them," ignoring signs of his increasing radicalization.

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The nine officers will face "non-judicial punishment," a non-criminal sanction, and will remain anonymous because of their right to appeal. McHugh further ordered the Army surgeon general to review the Medical Command's training and evaluation of medical officers. This follows reports that Hasan's evaluations were inflated for promotion and to alleviate a shortage of military psychiatrists.

The orders come after last month's bipartisan Senate report found intelligence failures in the lead up to the Fort Hood shooting, by the DOD and FBI. The agencies had sufficient evidence of Hasan's radical leanings "but failed both to understand and to act on it." The senators said their investigation found "specific and systemic failures," although Hasan's radicalization "was on full display to his superiors and colleagues during his military medical training."

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[Casino67]

I am curious as to what would have happened had the officers said something about Hassan? Would they have been listened to? Doubt it. Probably would have been disciplined for saying such things about a fellow officer.

[Valin]

I am curious as to what would have happened had the officers said something about Hassan? Would they have been listened to? Doubt it. Probably would have been disciplined for saying such things about a fellow officer.

 

 

You could very well be right....still someone should have said something. I know when I was in it was expected that if you saw someone acting strangely you were expected to say something.

[Casino67]

I am curious as to what would have happened had the officers said something about Hassan? Would they have been listened to? Doubt it. Probably would have been disciplined for saying such things about a fellow officer.

 

 

You could very well be right....still someone should have said something. I know when I was in it was expected that if you saw someone acting strangely you were expected to say something.

 

I agree, someone should have said something. Didn't we recently have a discussion here about PC? I truly think it would have not been PC to have reported him, a Muslim and all.

[SrWoodchuck]

Excrement never runs uphill.

 

George Casey should have a little note scribbled & placed in his jacket, too. PC blinders cost lives. Diversity is a laudable goal, but never at the expense of common sense & safety.

 

Just make sure Hassan has a seat belt, while hanging on his gibbet. [i won't hold my breath on this, as Hasan Karim Akbar, the soldier that killed 2 officers & wounded 14 other soldiers on March 23, 2003, at Camp Pennsylvania, in Kuwait, was found guilty in 2005 & sentenced to death; but as of last year, he's still in prison awaiting the last of his appeals-8 years to kill a man that should have been executed by firing squad in the theater of war, in 2003.]

[Sanguine]

I am curious as to what would have happened had the officers said something about Hassan? Would they have been listened to? Doubt it. Probably would have been disciplined for saying such things about a fellow officer.

 

For all we know, they or others, did say something.

 

The nine officers being disciplined were simply following what they understood to be the current Army way. Which is not an excuse, merely a comment.

[Casino67]

It seems that the method of punishment will not allow any discussion of what or what not was said by and about whom. Maybe they will be called as witnesses should Hasan ever face trial.

 

Hind sight is 20x20 as they say, but I wish we could be more proactive rather than reactive all of the time.

[Valin]

It seems that the method of punishment will not allow any discussion of what or what not was said by and about whom. Maybe they will be called as witnesses should Hasan ever face trial.

 

Hind sight is 20x20 as they say, but I wish we could be more proactive rather than reactive all of the time.

 

 

The question is has the situation changed in the military and in society at large?

[Pepper]

We should be holding university presidents and deans accountable for spreading PC.

[Evad]

I am curious as to what would have happened had the officers said something about Hassan? Would they have been listened to? Doubt it. Probably would have been disciplined for saying such things about a fellow officer.

 

For all we know, they or others, did say something.

 

The nine officers being disciplined were simply following what they understood to be the current Army way. Which is not an excuse, merely a comment.

Ding Ding Ding ..we have a winner.

Never accept the premise or at the very least, always challenge the premise.

This fish stinks from the gills UP.

[Pepper]

Sanguine Evad

Deserves a bump.

[NCTexan]

I believe that the same logic of the infinitely wise Sarbanes Oxley federal legislation should be applied in this case.

 

Sarbanes Oxley dictates that senior executives take individual responsibility for failure of those under them to report accurately... This can include both civil and criminal prosecution with severe penalties.

Commander in Chief

 

[pollyannaish]

I am going to admit up front I haven't read this whole thing, but...let me get this straight:

 

An AD Muslim Military man goes off the deep end and shoots up a bunch of people in the name of Allah.

 

The President IMMEDIATELY comes out and says we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

 

Years pass with no acknowledgement that this was a form of religious extremist terrorism.

 

The president continues to coddle the Muslim world and avoid calling a spade a spade, so to speak. Instead he holds day-long events on anti-bullying tactics and issues.

 

The government now disciplines people who SHOULD have done something that we were told NOT to do shortly after the shooting.

 

 

 

So this is what I've learned from this event. If you think someone could be a danger because of extremist religious views you are not allowed to prejudge them or jump to conclusions because that would be bullying. BUT if in the end something goes awry and the procedures and expectations of the powerful are discovered to be flawed and they want to avoid embarrassment they can bully the people who "should" have stopped the event.

 

Life was easier when the perpetrator was held accountable, and we could actually tell the truth instead of dancing around the issues.

[pollyannaish]

I am going to admit up front I haven't read this whole thing, but...let me get this straight:

 

An AD Muslim Military man goes off the deep end and shoots up a bunch of people in the name of Allah.

 

The President IMMEDIATELY comes out and says we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

 

Years pass with no acknowledgement that this was a form of religious extremist terrorism.

 

The president continues to coddle the Muslim world and avoid calling a spade a spade, so to speak. Instead he holds day-long events on anti-bullying tactics and issues.

 

The government now disciplines people who SHOULD have done something that we were told NOT to do shortly after the shooting.

 

 

 

So this is what I've learned from this event. If you think someone could be a danger because of extremist religious views you are not allowed to prejudge them or jump to conclusions because that would be bullying. BUT if in the end something goes awry and the procedures and expectations of the powerful are discovered to be flawed and they want to avoid embarrassment they can bully the people who "should" have stopped the event.

 

Life was easier when the perpetrator was held accountable, and we could actually tell the truth instead of dancing around the issues.

[Draggingtree]

July 23, 2015

Five years, eight months since 'Allahu Akbar' rang out at Ft. Hood

By Lee DeCovnick

Her name, hand-written on a yellow sticky note stuck on my computer, has become faded from years of late afternoon sunlight and can barely be read.

 

“Pvt. Francheska Velez”

 

Pvt. Francheska Velez, 21, an Army bomb disposal specialist who served in Iraq, was three months pregnant when Major Nidal Hasan deliberately shot her in the abdomen during the murderous rampage at Ft. Hood. Screaming in agony, her final words were "My baby, my baby."

 

Witnesses in the Article 32 hearing in 2010 testified that a man in an Army combat uniform stood by a front counter, shouted "Allahu Akbar!"("God is great!"), and started shooting. Major Hasan also had 20 "email communications with senior al-Qaeda recruiter and Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

 

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/five_years_eight_months_since_allahu_akbar_rang_out_at_ft_hood.html

[NCTexan]

 

Life was easier when the perpetrator was held accountable, and we could actually tell the truth instead of dancing around the issues.

 

@pollyannaish

 

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

 

In fact selected sets of individuals are not responsible or accountable for anything that they do or don't do... it's always some other individual or group.