Video Shows O'Donnell's Abstinence Crusade

[Guest areafiftyone]

POLITICAL WIRE:

Greg Sargent unearths a must-see video of Delaware U.S. Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell ® in 2003

[Guest areafiftyone]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

[Valin]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

[SrWoodchuck]

Pro-Choice on abortion or teenage sex, does not seem to include either saving life or chastity.

 

Better that they are called Any-Choice-But-Not-Abstinence.

 

I'm no prude or eunuch, but with the unrelenting pressure of American culture to have sex, in a million variants; where is the voice of choice to say, "No, I'm waiting?" It's ridiculed, right into the ground. Abstinence from early sex remains the only sure method of unwanted pregnancy, and sexually transmitted disease.

 

I also think that with young women reaching sexual maturity at ever younger ages, it is something that needs to have more equal weight; or will we soon be discussing 11 & 12 year olds, in the same way as 15 to 28 year olds?

 

This is something that has been removed from our social & cultural fabric, that has produced sexual enlightenment and really good times, but at a cost of a necessary innocence in young men & women.

 

IMO-To provide solely contraception, or advice on STD's is myopic.

[Guest areafiftyone]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

Oh I know what you are saying about that. But since the times have changed people cannot expect others to be the way it was long ago, so what you have to do is protect them as much as possible. It's all nice and good to think that people will not have sex (especially teens). But most people are not going to go that route. I grew as a teenage in the 70's and believe me - we all knew how to protect ourselves whether we did it or not. My boyfriend's sister has two sons 18 and 20 - she hands them condoms when they go out because she knows that she will never know everything that happens when she is not with them (she's been doing that for a couple of years now) - it's just impossible. She's is very religious but not stupid when it comes to life. To deny that your teenagers will have sex is crazy... case in point Bristol Palin. Nice sweet girl - nice religious family - no sex??? I don't think so.. just doesn't happen. Christine has and had some very strange ideas in her head. Sometimes chastity can seem quite silly and this is one of those times. Hers borders on obsession sometimes.

[Valin]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

Oh I know what you are saying about that. But since the times have changed people cannot expect others to be the way it was long ago

 

 

I understand what you're saying but, I would ask Why Not? Things change one way why not the other?

[Guest areafiftyone]

Pro-Choice on abortion or teenage sex, does not seem to include either saving life or chastity.

 

Better that they are called Any-Choice-But-Not-Abstinence.

 

I'm no prude or eunuch, but with the unrelenting pressure of American culture to have sex, in a million variants; where is the voice of choice to say, "No, I'm waiting?" It's ridiculed, right into the ground. Abstinence from early sex remains the only sure method of unwanted pregnancy, and sexually transmitted disease.

 

I also think that with young women reaching sexual maturity at ever younger ages, it is something that needs to have more equal weight; or will we soon be discussing 11 & 12 year olds, in the same way as 15 to 28 year olds?

 

This is something that has been removed from our social & cultural fabric, that has produced sexual enlightenment and really good times, but at a cost of a necessary innocence in young men & women.

 

IMO-To provide solely contraception, or advice on STD's is myopic.

 

Its up to the parents to teach their children the rights from wrongs about sex. We would all love our teenagers (and I"m not saying younger kids - they should not even have to think about stuff like this) to be chaste until they get married. But how real is that? Consequences from sex have to be stressed - and I know that includes info on preventing pregnancies, diseases, etc. Every parent knows their children well - no one else does. Teaching abstinence is fine - nothing wrong with that - but how many teenagers will go out that door after the talk about not having sex - get that peer pressure thing going on with their friends and have sex without any protection? Those consequences are even worse than anything. The thought of a teenager getting an STD or pregnant is not pleasant and is scary for both them and the parent. It only takes 1 time to get either one. They don't have to be loose or anything like that - Just normal average everyday teenagers. When it comes to that life does not give you a second chance. Christine O'Donnell may be chaste now but she seems like she made some mistakes in her life at first before she took the chaste route. She's older now - what she does with her sex life is no one's business - but what a teenager does and the consequences of that action are his parent's responsibility and business because their minds are still developing into adulthood. Some teens will be able to wait until they get married - but most will not. It's just reality and it stinks.

[clearvision]

Maybe they can change back again, but I don't believe the government caused the shift, and government is not going to shift it back. You are not going to legislate it. You might make inroads with education, but I'm skeptical.

[Guest areafiftyone]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

Oh I know what you are saying about that. But since the times have changed people cannot expect others to be the way it was long ago

 

 

I understand what you're saying but, I would ask Why Not? Things change one way why not the other?

 

I really don't know why - I'm guessing because life is too short and goes too darn fast for us to go backwards to a simpler time. And people in this country don't want to give up what is easy and convenient. I grew up with the Brady Bunch on prime time - now kids grow up with prime time shows like "sex in the city" and those stupid reality shows that practically glorify everything that was shocking when we were kids. I'm glad I grew up with the last of the good clean shows on TV. I would not want to be a teenager nowadays.

[Valin]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

Oh I know what you are saying about that. But since the times have changed people cannot expect others to be the way it was long ago

 

 

I understand what you're saying but, I would ask Why Not? Things change one way why not the other?

 

I really don't know why - I'm guessing because life is too short and goes too darn fast for us to go backwards to a simpler time. And people in this country don't want to give up what is easy and convenient. I grew up with the Brady Bunch on prime time - now kids grow up with prime time shows like "sex in the city" and those stupid reality shows that practically glorify everything that was shocking when we were kids. I'm glad I grew up with the last of the good clean shows on TV. I would not want to be a teenager nowadays.

 

 

Put being, this too can change, all that's required is for us to decide to change. This is not the 1st time in the history of America that things have been culturally loose. Colonial America before "the Great Awakening" comes to mind.

[Guest areafiftyone]

YIKES - This is hitting all over the internet now. Why did the Tea Party pick such a nitwit? I'll never understand this one. How do you stop the country from having sex?

 

 

At one time (in the days of my youth) it (pre marital sex) was not so open and seen as no big deal, particularly among teens. Women protected their virtue and chastity, and did not want to be known as easy....and then came the 60'...70's.

Oh I know what you are saying about that. But since the times have changed people cannot expect others to be the way it was long ago

 

 

I understand what you're saying but, I would ask Why Not? Things change one way why not the other?

 

I really don't know why - I'm guessing because life is too short and goes too darn fast for us to go backwards to a simpler time. And people in this country don't want to give up what is easy and convenient. I grew up with the Brady Bunch on prime time - now kids grow up with prime time shows like "sex in the city" and those stupid reality shows that practically glorify everything that was shocking when we were kids. I'm glad I grew up with the last of the good clean shows on TV. I would not want to be a teenager nowadays.

 

 

Put being, this too can change, all that's required is for us to decide to change. This is not the 1st time in the history of America that things have been culturally loose. Colonial America before "the Great Awakening" comes to mind.

 

Well you never know - we will see if this country gets sick and tired of all the permissiveness and all the stuff that is happening. Time will tell. It's up to the people. It will be interesting in the next couple of years to see what happens with the Tea Party.

[SrWoodchuck]

Pro-Choice on abortion or teenage sex, does not seem to include either saving life or chastity.

 

Better that they are called Any-Choice-But-Not-Abstinence.

 

I'm no prude or eunuch, but with the unrelenting pressure of American culture to have sex, in a million variants; where is the voice of choice to say, "No, I'm waiting?" It's ridiculed, right into the ground. Abstinence from early sex remains the only sure method of unwanted pregnancy, and sexually transmitted disease.

 

I also think that with young women reaching sexual maturity at ever younger ages, it is something that needs to have more equal weight; or will we soon be discussing 11 & 12 year olds, in the same way as 15 to 28 year olds?

 

This is something that has been removed from our social & cultural fabric, that has produced sexual enlightenment and really good times, but at a cost of a necessary innocence in young men & women.

 

IMO-To provide solely contraception, or advice on STD's is myopic.

 

Its up to the parents to teach their children the rights from wrongs about sex. We would all love our teenagers (and I"m not saying younger kids - they should not even have to think about stuff like this) to be chaste until they get married. But how real is that? Consequences from sex have to be stressed - and I know that includes info on preventing pregnancies, diseases, etc. Every parent knows their children well - no one else does. Teaching abstinence is fine - nothing wrong with that - but how many teenagers will go out that door after the talk about not having sex - get that peer pressure thing going on with their friends and have sex without any protection? Those consequences are even worse than anything. The thought of a teenager getting an STD or pregnant is not pleasant and is scary for both them and the parent. It only takes 1 time to get either one. They don't have to be loose or anything like that - Just normal average everyday teenagers. When it comes to that life does not give you a second chance. Christine O'Donnell may be chaste now but she seems like she made some mistakes in her life at first before she took the chaste route. She's older now - what she does with her sex life is no one's business - but what a teenager does and the consequences of that action are his parent's responsibility and business because their minds are still developing into adulthood. Some teens will be able to wait until they get married - but most will not. It's just reality and it stinks.

Area51!

 

I agree to young people getting information about every aspect of sexual education, but the flaw in your argument is exactly what you're promoting by acquiescing to the inevitability of all teens having sex, regardless of what you hope they "get" from all that education. A permissive attitude has made Christine O'Donnell's argument a pariah's path.........you ridicule it here.......because it seems so antiquated that it's not even in the realm of possibility.

All people bear the responsibility of teen's poor choices about sex.

 

Young girls now begin menstruating as low as 11 years of age.........would you say that's not too young to have a talk about abstinence? What age would be too old?

 

Involvement with your children is paramount. I'll never forget the time I took MrsSrWoodchuck to a prize fight & instead of going out for drinks after, we decided to come home. We found my two sons having a raging party at our house. MrsSrW went in first & looked young enough to be just another girl at the party.....but when I walked in....guys were jumping over the fence in the back yard. I confiscated all the beer that was left [several cases & 8-10 "40's".] I took everyone's keys, and I asked if anyone had not been drinking. One young man had nothing to drink, so I asked him to take everyone home before curfew [11:30PM] and told him to come back afterwards. Several of my son's friends decided to spend the night and I offered everyone soda pop or coffee. When the designated driver came back and agreed to stay, I let him have one beer. The next afternoon, several of the young men came to my door & asked for their beer back. I told them to give me their home phone numbers and that I would call their parents & ask if they wanted to let them have the beer. Several said, "No way" and they left; but I got a call from one of the single mom's of one young man & she said she'd take the beer......so I delivered it to her. She went out & bought some more & threw a party for the same group of young men & women.....letting them come & go as they pleased. Where are the lines, if we don't draw them?

 

My oldest son was shot in the head by one of his friends, while they were smoking dope & drinking vodka at his friends house.......the parents said it was OK as long as it was at home. WTF!

He survived, thank God & is 180 degrees from that time in his life, but the point is in the message that you give your children & other peoples children [even if they're too dense to see it.] There are correct forms of behavior, including the right & responsibility of having sex at any age; and if you belittle or dismiss abstinence, as a valid life choice, then you're left with "ribbed" or "flavored" and that's pretty sad.

 

I guess I'll just agree to disagree with you.

[Stella]

Every single parent I know breathed a sigh of relief when their kids graduated from high school without a policeman coming to the door or an unwanted pregnancy occurring. Parents can do a lot. My daughter was not allowed to leave the house in the morning without passing inspection from either my husband or myself. I'm sure you all have seen the way kids dress for school. Some of them look like hookers. And the boys look like clown with their rears showing. We gave our kids the talk about sex and made sure they went to the teen club at our local parish and participated in the activities there and we still held our breath. And this was before the days of reality tv. Whenever there is a boyfriend or girlfriend combined with teenage hormones, sex can happen.

 

I am so very sorry that the Tea Party Express pushed the Delaware Primary onto national television. O'Donnell is like a gift that keeps on giving to the Democrats. Instead of talking about things like the economy and jobs, the media is focusing on the social perceptions that a lot of people have of the GOP.

 

Democrats are very good at framing the argument and running campaigns. I wish the GOP would learn from them. Where is someone from our side going to step up and remind people that it's up to the people of Delaware to vote for their Senator. The entire discussion is a huge distraction to the incompetence of the WH and Congress.

[Guest areafiftyone]

I totally agree lines have to be drawn and discipline has to rein in the house when it comes to kids (and by the way I'm glad to hear your son survived!) I came from a home that was very very disciplined but at the time a teen girl being pregnant was shunned and she did not dare show her face in high school . Nowadays some female high school students are wishing they had babies like they were toys or they were pets. I'm not saying that we need to allow teens to have sex that is not what I was getting at - I'm saying that you should let them know that you would prefer them not to have it and set rules - but if they do let them know the consequences of their actions, etc and what will happen. Ignorance is not right either. I know I got long winded on this but I hate seeing kids get so messed up by teen pregnancy and stuff like that. I see something that could have been prevented and maybe a life worth saving if that teen could have just had the smarts to do the right thing - if it was not do it at all - perfect and commendable - if it was preventing the pregnancy or STD disease by using a condom - also good. I'm not saying that condoms should be given out in school or anything like that - that is something for parents to do or not do at home if they so choose to. I believe that stuff should be out of the schoolroom and out of Politics completely. I think I got a bit long winded and sounded like I think all teens will and should have sex. Maybe it was the way I phrased it. Heck if you can discipline your kids and they are educated enough - most of the time they won't want to do anything at all but have fun.

[ErnstBlofeld]

Even though I am a conserative, I am a wine,women and song guy.I see my friends married and they look miserable.

 

"Who does not love wine, women and song remains a fool his whole life long." -Martin Luther

[nickydog]

SrWoodchuck -- the story about your son proves the point that kids might come from a home where the parents point out unacceptable behavior and discuss how they will suffer the consequences of their actions, and yet those same teens may still go out and break the rules. Teens are reckless, we all know that. And I think it is even in many of their personalities to deliberately defy their parents. Personnally I was too scared to get in trouble. Maybe that's the answer. My parents weren't mean, but I sure didn't want to ever have to go home and announce I was pregnant.

[SrWoodchuck]

Even though I am a conserative, I am a wine,women and song guy.I see my friends married and they look miserable.

 

"Who does not love wine, women and song remains a fool his whole life long." -Martin Luther

SonofStrangeLove!

 

"Listen fool, you'd better share the wine, and there'll be no other women, or your life won't last long!"-MrsSrWoodchuck

[ErnstBlofeld]

Even though I am a conserative, I am a wine,women and song guy.I see my friends married and they look miserable.

 

"Who does not love wine, women and song remains a fool his whole life long." -Martin Luther

SonofStrangeLove!

 

"Listen fool, you'd better share the wine, and there'll be no other women, or your life won't last long!"-MrsSrWoodchuck

 

Thank you for the advice. I am doing just fine and I am having the time of my life.

[SrWoodchuck]

Even though I am a conserative, I am a wine,women and song guy.I see my friends married and they look miserable.

 

"Who does not love wine, women and song remains a fool his whole life long." -Martin Luther

SonofStrangeLove!

 

"Listen fool, you'd better share the wine, and there'll be no other women, or your life won't last long!"-MrsSrWoodchuck

 

Thank you for the advice. I am doing just fine.

SonofStrangeLove! MrsSrWoodchuck meant that quote for me, not you. By the way, she says we're happy......

........just kidding, I'm happier than ever with my wife. 31 years married & 1.5 years living in sin....and she's the best thing that ever happened to me. I would wish that happiness for you, too, after you've sated yourself with your pleasures.

[ErnstBlofeld]

Even though I am a conserative, I am a wine,women and song guy.I see my friends married and they look miserable.

 

"Who does not love wine, women and song remains a fool his whole life long." -Martin Luther

SonofStrangeLove!

 

"Listen fool, you'd better share the wine, and there'll be no other women, or your life won't last long!"-MrsSrWoodchuck

 

Thank you for the advice. I am doing just fine.

SonofStrangeLove! MrsSrWoodchuck meant that quote for me, not you. By the way, she says we're happy......

........just kidding, I'm happier than ever with my wife. 31 years married & 1.5 years living in sin....and she's the best thing that ever happened to me. I would wish that happiness for you, too, after you've sated yourself with your pleasures.

 

I look at my relatives and they are miserable in their marriages. I hear them whining about how much fun they had when they were single.I do not want to end up that way. I will get married when I am good and ready. Right now, I want to enjoy my freedom.Carpe Diem!

[Al_Simmons]

Hey Sonofstrangelove

 

What about guys who didn't have too much fun single, then suffered through marriages from he**?

 

The Answer: Find another hobby. Women aren't worth it.

 

One man's jaded view.

[ErnstBlofeld]

Hey Sonofstrangelove

 

[quote}

. Women aren't worth it.

 

 

 

I disagree. They are worth it.

[Al_Simmons]

That's because YOU (apparently) can handle yours ....