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Washington Examiner:

Environmental Protection Agency considering a ban on lead ammunition
By: MARK HEMINGWAY
Commentary Staff Writer
08/25/10 2:45 PM EDT

Here’s an astounding bit of government overreach:

NSSF [National Shooting Sports Foundation] is springing into action, as the public comment period opens on EPA considering a regulation that will ban all traditional lead ammunition. This would basically end the shooting sports as we know it. Remember this is a no-win situation for us, because bullets made of materials other than lead are often considered armor piercing by law. Copper is your basic material, and copper is expensive, and has much poorer performance properties than lead.

You can read the petition in favor of banning ammunition here, and if you can leave a public comment on it here. The EPA will be taking comments on this through October 31 to coincide nicely with the November 2 election. After health care and immigration, apparently the White House doesn’t feel it has sufficiently irked voters enough. Bringing the NRA and upset gun owners into the mix should really do wonders for Democrats at the ballot box.

(h/t Instapundit)
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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

 

'Hi ho, Silver'. 'Who was that masked man?' 'That was EPA man, man.'

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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

 

This sounds like another backdoor attempt by the left to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I don't put anything beyond this socialist TOTUS, Pelosi and Reid. I guess this means that in addition to stocking up on guns, I'm going to have to stock up on ammo as well before they try and ban it during the 'lame duck' session coming up after the mid-terms...

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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

 

This sounds like another backdoor attempt by the left to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I don't put anything beyond this socialist TOTUS, Pelosi and Reid. I guess this means that in addition to stocking up on guns, I'm going to have to stock up on ammo as well before they try and ban it during the 'lame duck' session coming up after the mid-terms...

 

Hasn't there been a number of stories about the ammo shortage? Someone has been stocking up. Heard that gunshows are a good source. Dunno for sure.

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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

 

This sounds like another backdoor attempt by the left to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I don't put anything beyond this socialist TOTUS, Pelosi and Reid. I guess this means that in addition to stocking up on guns, I'm going to have to stock up on ammo as well before they try and ban it during the 'lame duck' session coming up after the mid-terms...

 

Hasn't there been a number of stories about the ammo shortage? Someone has been stocking up. Heard that gunshows are a good source. Dunno for sure.

 

Wal-Mart still sells ammo, though if I'm not mistaken, they mostly gotten out of the gun business. Gunshow ammo is always questionable about age, reliability, and where it came from. You never know if you're buying AK-47 ammo that might have come from some ammo plant next to Chernobyl...

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The petition not only requests the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot, but lead based fishing gear such as sinkers. It is interesting to note that the EPA is prohibited from attempting to regulate ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, but is considering this ban since there are now "alternatives" to lead ammunition available on the market.

 

This sounds like another backdoor attempt by the left to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I don't put anything beyond this socialist TOTUS, Pelosi and Reid. I guess this means that in addition to stocking up on guns, I'm going to have to stock up on ammo as well before they try and ban it during the 'lame duck' session coming up after the mid-terms...

 

Hasn't there been a number of stories about the ammo shortage? Someone has been stocking up. Heard that gunshows are a good source. Dunno for sure.

 

Wal-Mart still sells ammo, though if I'm not mistaken, they mostly gotten out of the gun business. Gunshow ammo is always questionable about age, reliability, and where it came from. You never know if you're buying AK-47 ammo that might have come from some ammo plant next to Chernobyl...

 

AK-47's, and SKS's for that matter, can only use military grade ammo. Off the shelf ammo does not have enough force to cycle them. Since Russian military 7.62 rounds use steel casings, instead of brass, reloads are easy to spot. Not sure about radioactive contamination, though.

 

On the whole, I've found that gun show ammunition is pretty reliable, as long as you take the care to make sure that the rounds are factory packed. If you own firearms that use some of the less common rounds, Walmart doesn't carry them. Nor do many of the sporting good stores.

 

I'm good on ammo, for now. Stocked in so much that I had to buy a second safe just for the ammo. As the saying goes, "I ain't looking for a fight, but I don't aim to disappoint anyone else who comes looking".

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I'm only wandering out for a .40 cal semi-auto pistol, maybe a 7.62mm NATO AR-15 or whatever version holds a .308 bullet, because I'm not restricted any longer by Swiss Convention rules about hollowpoints(Remington came out with a very nasty round for deer hunting that will do as much damage to an Islamofaschist as any bambi about 10 years ago).

 

And a .12 gauge pump action shotgun(trust me, there is nothing that will send burglars fleeing for the road, and their lives, faster, than hearing a single pump from a shotgun). XX buckshot has a lot of stopping power if somebody is trying to invade your home.

 

I trained my grandmother, who's in her '80s, how to load and fire my late grandfather's .16 gauge, which I got XX buckshot for, because she told me she was getting threats from some druggies a few years ago. They're gone, and she never had to shoot anybody, but somebody did come trying to break in a few years ago. She woke up, and, just like I taught her, pumped the shotgun. She never had another problem.

 

Yeah, I think those three will do. B)

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I'm only wandering out for a .40 cal semi-auto pistol, maybe a 7.62mm NATO AR-15 or whatever version holds a .308 bullet, because I'm not restricted any longer by Swiss Convention rules about hollowpoints(Remington came out with a very nasty round for deer hunting that will do as much damage to an Islamofaschist as any bambiabout 10 years ago). And a .12 gauge pump action shotgun(trust me, there is nothing that will send burglers fleeing for the road, and their lives, faster, than hearing a single pump from a shotgun). XX buckshot has a lot of stopping power if somebody is trying to invade your home.

 

Yeah, I think those three will do. B)

 

The AR15, as far as I know, only fires a 5.56mm (.223 caliber)round. If you are wanting a military grade weapon that fires a NATO 7.62 round, there are a few used M14s around. Although replaced by the M16 as the prefered infantry rifle for the U.S. military, they are still manufactured for the military, primarily modified as sniper rifles. I don't know of where you could purchase a new one, used ones are available, although scarce. Best place to find one is, of course, a gun show.

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I'm only wandering out for a .40 cal semi-auto pistol, maybe a 7.62mm NATO AR-15 or whatever version holds a .308 bullet, because I'm not restricted any longer by Swiss Convention rules about hollowpoints(Remington came out with a very nasty round for deer hunting that will do as much damage to an Islamofaschist as any bambiabout 10 years ago). And a .12 gauge pump action shotgun(trust me, there is nothing that will send burglers fleeing for the road, and their lives, faster, than hearing a single pump from a shotgun). XX buckshot has a lot of stopping power if somebody is trying to invade your home.

 

Yeah, I think those three will do. B)

 

The AR15, as far as I know, only fires a 5.56mm (.223 caliber)round. If you are wanting a military grade weapon that fires a NATO 7.62 round, there are a few used M14s around. Although replaced by the M16 as the prefered infantry rifle for the U.S. military, they are still manufactured for the military, primarily modified as sniper rifles. I don't know of where you could purchase a new one, used ones are available, although scarce. Best place to find one is, of course, a gun show.

 

Having worked in more than one sporting goods store, I do think there's a 7.62 version of the AR-15 available(maybe it's an M-4 knockoff but that would be even better for close quarter fighting), but if I'm wrong, I will happily settle for an M-14. I'd go for a 5.56 M-203 if they'd give me HE, WP, and Shotgun rounds for the grenade launcher. I'm a Southpaw, but I learned how to become an expert firing that launcher right-handed(BTW: I also qualified as Sharpshooter on the M-60, though it's strictly a right-handed weapon). I'd rather have an M-203 with grenade rounds...

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I've got the .40 Brigadier & 3 clips of the flying trashcan rounds, with an 8 shot 870 riot gun, buckshot & ghost sights behind the door. The local Big 5 Sporting goods was selling Russian 7.62x54 service rifles with bayonet attached for under a hundred dollars, so I went down and made them bring out 5, and bought the best one. Iron sights only, but it is a tack driver, and they sell the ammo at discount, too. Yugo SKS semi-auto's for $ 399.00 last week, but I can't afford. I think I'm set, but would like to find some ammo for my MrsSrWoodchucks Anaconda .45LC, it's getting rare.

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I'm only wandering out for a .40 cal semi-auto pistol, maybe a 7.62mm NATO AR-15 or whatever version holds a .308 bullet, because I'm not restricted any longer by Swiss Convention rules about hollowpoints(Remington came out with a very nasty round for deer hunting that will do as much damage to an Islamofaschist as any bambiabout 10 years ago). And a .12 gauge pump action shotgun(trust me, there is nothing that will send burglers fleeing for the road, and their lives, faster, than hearing a single pump from a shotgun). XX buckshot has a lot of stopping power if somebody is trying to invade your home.

 

Yeah, I think those three will do. B)

 

The AR15, as far as I know, only fires a 5.56mm (.223 caliber)round. If you are wanting a military grade weapon that fires a NATO 7.62 round, there are a few used M14s around. Although replaced by the M16 as the prefered infantry rifle for the U.S. military, they are still manufactured for the military, primarily modified as sniper rifles. I don't know of where you could purchase a new one, used ones are available, although scarce. Best place to find one is, of course, a gun show.

 

Having worked in more than one sporting goods store, I do think there's a 7.62 version of the AR-15 available(maybe it's an M-4 knockoff but that would be even better for close quarter fighting), but if I'm wrong, I will happily settle for an M-14. I'd go for a 5.56 M-203 if they'd give me HE, WP, and Shotgun rounds for the grenade launcher. I'm a Southpaw, but I learned how to become an expert firing that launcher right-handed(BTW: I also qualified as Sharpshooter on the M-60, though it's strictly a right-handed weapon). I'd rather have an M-203 with grenade rounds...

 

DPMS recently marketed the Panther, built on the AR15 platform which DOES fire a 7.62 round, but it is even pricier than most 5.56 versions......at about $1300 a pop. Other firms are currently marketing M4 versions at a similar premium.

 

For anyone who doesn't want to spend over a grand for a reliable firearm, as I mentioned, the M14s are available, as well as the venerable M1A1 carbine. Most manufacturers offer semi-auto hunting rifles in the .308 rounds as well.

 

As SrWoodchuck has pointed out, the SKS is pretty affordable. I've never seen the Yugo version, but I own a Russion made SKS in 7.62x39. I would recommend NOT buying the ChiComm version.....side by side the difference in quality is obvious.

 

Although naturally right handed, I lost sight in my right eye at an early age, so I also shoot southpaw. I'm a rated marksman with most long guns, but am more of a pistoleer.....once you learn to ignore the hot casings going down your shirt, it's easy.

 

Never having served, I have never fired an M203. I have fired some training rounds from an M79.....similar to being kicked in the shoulder by a mule.

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Here are two weapons that are unique:

 

 

 

Metal Storm is a 36 barrel gun that has 10 or more rounds, already packed inside each barrel, and fired electronically in whatever sequence is selected. It can be placed on a trail concealed, and using a camera or a motion detector, fired at a preselected or registered position. Multiple units can also be placed as a weapons system on fixed or rotary wing aircraft. At the higher round per minute selection, a target might be vaporized. Ammunition can include small grenade or explosive rocket rounds.

 

 

 

What???

 

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Argyle 58!

 

One of those .308 AR-15 weapons was on sale at one sporting goods store about 15 years ago for around $300 and like an idiot, I passed on it. I'll settle for something when the next gun show comes to town, because my budget doesn't include paying over $1,300 for a rifle that will be rarely, if ever, used, except when I go to a shooting range to zero the sights.

 

I prefer a Ruger P944 in .40 cal(the safety is ambidexterous), a Remington 870(riot gun is not a bad idea) in 12 gauge, and if I can't find something at the next gun show, a Remington 7600(depending on how many extra mags I can get my hands on and keep loaded...

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I still prefer my 1911A to any other hand gun, although I am becoming partial to my Sig Sauer P226 357. I have a Glock 24 .40, but I don't really like it. It is a conceal carry model....too small and light for that round. I have a matched pair of Baretta 92S's, but prefer the 92F for the same reason you like your P944...l/r hammer blocks.

 

I think I still have a box of Black Talons in .40 caliber in the safe, if you're interested.

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I still prefer my 1911A to any other hand gun, although I am becoming partial to my Sig Sauer P226 357. I have a Glock 24 .40, but I don't really like it. It is a conceal carry model....too small and light for that round. I have a matched pair of Baretta 92S's, but prefer the 92F for the same reason you like your P944...l/r hammer blocks.

 

I think I still have a box of Black Talons in .40 caliber in the safe, if you're interested.

 

I would be, but I don't think either one of us wants the Obambi ATF arresting us. I'll settle for regular HP ammo from Remington or Federal... ;)

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It is not illegal to own Black Talons. It was never even outlawed to produce them. Winchester voluntarily halted production in the face of bad publicity from the Brady folks.

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Correct, see

 

"Winchester officials used research to show that the Black Talon was no more deadly4 than any of the other hollow point bullets on the market, but they pulled the ammunition from the shelves to quiet public concern. Black Talon was the first product Winchester had ever removed from the market for reasons other than manufacturing defects in the almost 130-year history of the company."

 

http://www.thegunzone.com/black-talon.html

 

It is not illegal to own Black Talons. It was never even outlawed to produce them. Winchester voluntarily halted production in the face of bad publicity from the Brady folks.

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Correct, see

 

"Winchester officials used research to show that the Black Talon was no more deadly4 than any of the other hollow point bullets on the market, but they pulled the ammunition from the shelves to quiet public concern. Black Talon was the first product Winchester had ever removed from the market for reasons other than manufacturing defects in the almost 130-year history of the company."

 

http://www.thegunzone.com/black-talon.html

 

It is not illegal to own Black Talons. It was never even outlawed to produce them. Winchester voluntarily halted production in the face of bad publicity from the Brady folks.

 

Pepper!

 

Thanks for the site. I have a box of .45 Auto [230gr.] that I bought with my P90, in the early 90's. I figured they were "grandfathered" in, but now I feel better. I still have them loaded in the Ruger & two extra clips. I remember a few years after that, a trauma Dr. working at Denver General Hospital [ called the "Knife & Gun Club"] was saying he wanted them banned, too. It seems that the trauma doc's sometimes have to put their fingers or hands in a wound cavity, and after one drug-boinking patient came in with lead poisoning from Black Talons; they turned his fingertips into hamburger, even through his gloves. Even double-gloving didn't help, and these guys are very protective of their hands.

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