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No, Not Trump, Not Ever

MARCH 18, 2016 / David Brooks

 

The voters have spoken.

In convincing fashion, Republican voters seem to be selecting Donald Trump as their nominee. And in a democracy, victory has legitimacy to it. Voters are rarely wise but are usually sensible. They understand their own problems. And so deference is generally paid to the candidate who wins.

And deference is being paid. Gov. Rick Scott of Florida is urging Republicans to coalesce around Trump. Pundits are coming out with their “What We Can Learn” commentaries. Those commentaries are built on a hidden respect for the outcome, that this is a rejection of a Republicanism that wasn’t working and it points in some better direction.

The question is: Should deference be paid to this victor? Should we bow down to the judgment of these voters? Scissors-32x32.png


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"Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes"

 

Well, I think it may be a tie with his probable opponent - but the NYT wouldn't say that.

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"Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes"

 

Well, I think it may be a tie with his probable opponent - but the NYT wouldn't say that.

Trump vs Hillary Shudder

 

Gonna need a Level A Haz-mat suit to vote for him

 

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Holding my nose just won't cut it.

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"Trump is perhaps the most dishonest person to run for high office in our lifetimes"

 

Well, I think it may be a tie with his probable opponent - but the NYT wouldn't say that.

Trump vs Hillary Shudder

 

Gonna need a Level A Haz-mat suit to vote for him

 

kapplerresponder.gif

 

Holding my nose just won't cut it.

 

 

@Valin! Strange things are happening. I heard today that after Lil Marco stops sucking his thumb & crying...he may be asked to endorse Cruz & gift him his delegates. Kasich is full of himself & until (& if) he loses in Wisconsin...will continue to split the party & give Trump a better shot. Should he lose in Wisconsin...or draw off delegates from Cruz...it is suggested that Cruz will ask him to VP the ticket. By Marco & Kasich giving Cruz their delegates...Cruz's need for delegates will fall from winning 82% of the remaining delegates needed, to 54%...at which point it will be "Even" odds for Cruz to win the nomination.

 

I'll have to hold my nose for Kasich@VP; but I'm willing to give it a go...if Cruz is Prez.

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Sweet @Geee! I saw that when he said it in 2015. He took a big ration of crap for it, too. He's bombastic & over-exuberant. No way could he expect to have his sister confirmed, but I think he throws things out there to keep the media unbalanced...and it works. Plus, he's an old white guy, who would never be given the "keys to the kingdom" and allowed to write daily "change" with executive orders like Barky. The thing is...he is a shrewd negotiator...and he can & does "twist arms" as needed to reach his goals. My personal thoughts are that he realizes the Federal Gubmint is bloated & unwieldy...and he might pare it down considerably. He's a bizniz man! We need someone to tell these pompous Fed employees..."You're Fired!" I'm only half kidding about that, but we need an axeman to cut the dead wood & he does have experience. Maybe in a Cruz administration, Trump can be Treasury Secretary or Fed Chairkman?

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Yeah, I know where you're coming from. I will have to support Trump for the only reason where I ask the question, "consider the alternative." I do support Cruz but it looks like Trump will take it. I know I'll be spending lots of time in meditation and prayer this time around.

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My personal thoughts are that he realizes the Federal Gubmint is bloated & unwieldy...and he might pare it down considerably. He's a bizniz man! We need someone to tell these pompous Fed employees..."You're Fired!"

 

Being President is not the same as being a CEO in the private sector. Sorry as much I would love to see these pompous Fed employees fired, not gonna happen.

 

While he has run a good campaign feeding into the anger out here, but there is a world of difference when you have to actually Govern.

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My personal thoughts are that he realizes the Federal Gubmint is bloated & unwieldy...and he might pare it down considerably. He's a bizniz man! We need someone to tell these pompous Fed employees..."You're Fired!"

 

Being President is not the same as being a CEO in the private sector. Sorry as much I would love to see these pompous Fed employees fired, not gonna happen.

 

While he has run a good campaign feeding into the anger out here, but there is a world of difference when you have to actually Govern.

 

Being President is not the same as being a General in the armed forces.

Being President is not the same as being a Senator representing a State.

Being President is not the same as being a Lawyer in the private practice.

Being President is not the same as being an actor in entertainment.

Being President is not the same as being a Governor of a State.

Being President is not the same as being a haberdasher in a private store.

Being President is not the same as being a professional protester in the private world.

 

Fed employees can be transferred, dismissed, retired or laid off...and...they can stop hiring and let attrition lower the number of employees. Departments can be closed. All it takes is a strong EXECUTIVE...and a negotiator that knows how to make deals with Congress.

 

If you keep saying it "can't be done"...it will never be done.

 

Less sticking their noses in the affairs of private citizens...especially when they are used as "tool" of retribution by a political "TOOL" like Baracky...means that there can be less of them that do that very thing.

 

Trump brings different tools to the job, but they can still be used effectively...especially if he has oversight & can't get away with crap because he's half black & all "red." I'm sure the quality of the people he chooses to distribute his authority will be of a quality we haven't seen in at least 7+ years. Right out of the box...they won't be socialist academics.

 

...and again...I'd prefer Trump in some other job than Prez.

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Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

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We had/have several first term senators (some who did almost nothing before hand), a brain surgeon, a tech CEO, Trump, and a few governors running.

 

Only the governors have any real claim to doing anything close to the job of president and we voted most of them off the island. I guess Kasich must be your man if you want someone with experience. Looks like he will get voted of the island shortly too.

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We had/have several first term senators (some who did almost nothing before hand), a brain surgeon, a tech CEO, Trump, and a few governors running.

 

Only the governors have any real claim to doing anything close to the job of president and we voted most of them off the island. I guess Kasich must be your man if you want someone with experience. Looks like he will get voted of the island shortly too.

 

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it.

~Clarence Darrow~

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Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

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@SrWoodchuck

 

Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

 

 

@Valin!

 

Of course they're questioning his business acumen. You're doing that for them now, though, so they can concentrate on other areas of subterfuge. You know, I look at this political campaign & I see that the dirty tricks are being cranked up. Maybe we just weren't allowed a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard elites who must retain power...but now it's naked ambition...and it ain't pretty. Trump gets down in the mud and rolls with the rest of the pigs...and even has a knack for it. He can claim to not be a politician, but he's operated in an area of high business that requires a type of person that can lie, bluster, promise & cut throats if needed...which is a politician.

 

BTW: In the rough & tumble of politics or high business...there will be loss & gain. He's up now...and has been for a while...so he's a survivor of dangerous gaming. We don't accurately know Donald Trump. We only know what he projects & wants to be seen. Is that a liability? Yes. Could he be a good president? Maybe. His friends and associates seem to have a different picture of Trump, that contrasts markedly with what the GOPe wants seen. He plays the media like a fiddle..actually...like a Stradivarius. He's close to self-funding...which means he doesn't have the yoke of someone else's money pointing him in their desired direction.

 

I'm a Cruz guy...but I admire the fight that Trump has put on & the trail that he blazed with out-of-control immigration. Who knew Ronald Reagan at first & how was he vilified? I'm not saying Trump is anywhere near Reagan in style or substance...just that he's light years away from Killary or the Commie.

 

Kasich? He recently stated that he'd confirm Oblunders Supreme pick...and he has a letter from Clinton, thanking him for dialing back the 2nd Amendment. He's a clown & a progressive. Rip him.

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Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

 

 

@Valin!

 

Of course they're questioning his business acumen. You're doing that for them now, though, so they can concentrate on other areas of subterfuge. You know, I look at this political campaign & I see that the dirty tricks are being cranked up. Maybe we just weren't allowed a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard elites who must retain power...but now it's naked ambition...and it ain't pretty. Trump gets down in the mud and rolls with the rest of the pigs...and even has a knack for it. He can claim to not be a politician, but he's operated in an area of high business that requires a type of person that can lie, bluster, promise & cut throats if needed...which is a politician.

 

BTW: In the rough & tumble of politics or high business...there will be loss & gain. He's up now...and has been for a while...so he's a survivor of dangerous gaming. We don't accurately know Donald Trump. We only know what he projects & wants to be seen. Is that a liability? Yes. Could he be a good president? Maybe. His friends and associates seem to have a different picture of Trump, that contrasts markedly with what the GOPe wants seen. He plays the media like a fiddle..actually...like a Stradivarius. He's close to self-funding...which means he doesn't have the yoke of someone else's money pointing him in their desired direction.

 

I'm a Cruz guy...but I admire the fight that Trump has put on & the trail that he blazed with out-of-control immigration. Who knew Ronald Reagan at first & how was he vilified? I'm not saying Trump is anywhere near Reagan in style or substance...just that he's light years away from Killary or the Commie.

 

Kasich? He recently stated that he'd confirm Oblunders Supreme pick...and he has a letter from Clinton, thanking him for dialing back the 2nd Amendment. He's a clown & a progressive. Rip him.

 

The MSM have been holding back. If and when DT becomes the nominee - Katie bar the door.

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@SrWoodchuck

 

Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

 

 

@Valin!

 

Of course they're questioning his business acumen. You're doing that for them now, though, so they can concentrate on other areas of subterfuge. You know, I look at this political campaign & I see that the dirty tricks are being cranked up. Maybe we just weren't allowed a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard elites who must retain power...but now it's naked ambition...and it ain't pretty. Trump gets down in the mud and rolls with the rest of the pigs...and even has a knack for it. He can claim to not be a politician, but he's operated in an area of high business that requires a type of person that can lie, bluster, promise & cut throats if needed...which is a politician.

 

BTW: In the rough & tumble of politics or high business...there will be loss & gain. He's up now...and has been for a while...so he's a survivor of dangerous gaming. We don't accurately know Donald Trump. We only know what he projects & wants to be seen. Is that a liability? Yes. Could he be a good president? Maybe. His friends and associates seem to have a different picture of Trump, that contrasts markedly with what the GOPe wants seen. He plays the media like a fiddle..actually...like a Stradivarius. He's close to self-funding...which means he doesn't have the yoke of someone else's money pointing him in their desired direction.

 

I'm a Cruz guy...but I admire the fight that Trump has put on & the trail that he blazed with out-of-control immigration. Who knew Ronald Reagan at first & how was he vilified? I'm not saying Trump is anywhere near Reagan in style or substance...just that he's light years away from Killary or the Commie.

 

Kasich? He recently stated that he'd confirm Oblunders Supreme pick...and he has a letter from Clinton, thanking him for dialing back the 2nd Amendment. He's a clown & a progressive. Rip him.

 

The MSM have been holding back. If and when DT becomes the nominee - Katie bar the door.

 

 

Sweet @Geee!

 

I say, "Bring it!" It can only make Cruz look like a better choice. I think Trump will just crank up his game & those lawsuits he's threatened for media...they'd better have crossed their "t's" & dotted their "i's"...plus have big pockets.

 

I have no love for Lil Marco, but if I were Cruz, I'd be lining him up for the VP slot. With an all-Latino ticket...they'd inoculate themselves from all the tripe that's going to be flung until November 8th. Marco could have some exposure in high office, too...with a chance to prove himself; without any of the responsibility. (Being VP is like a warm bucket of spit-except for that tie breaking Senate vote) Rubio is liked more than Cruz in the Senate & sitting in Biden's present throne, would give Cruz a "Yuge" advantage.

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Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

 

 

@Valin!

 

Of course they're questioning his business acumen. You're doing that for them now, though, so they can concentrate on other areas of subterfuge. You know, I look at this political campaign & I see that the dirty tricks are being cranked up. Maybe we just weren't allowed a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard elites who must retain power...but now it's naked ambition...and it ain't pretty. Trump gets down in the mud and rolls with the rest of the pigs...and even has a knack for it. He can claim to not be a politician, but he's operated in an area of high business that requires a type of person that can lie, bluster, promise & cut throats if needed...which is a politician.

 

BTW: In the rough & tumble of politics or high business...there will be loss & gain. He's up now...and has been for a while...so he's a survivor of dangerous gaming. We don't accurately know Donald Trump. We only know what he projects & wants to be seen. Is that a liability? Yes. Could he be a good president? Maybe. His friends and associates seem to have a different picture of Trump, that contrasts markedly with what the GOPe wants seen. He plays the media like a fiddle..actually...like a Stradivarius. He's close to self-funding...which means he doesn't have the yoke of someone else's money pointing him in their desired direction.

 

I'm a Cruz guy...but I admire the fight that Trump has put on & the trail that he blazed with out-of-control immigration. Who knew Ronald Reagan at first & how was he vilified? I'm not saying Trump is anywhere near Reagan in style or substance...just that he's light years away from Killary or the Commie.

 

Kasich? He recently stated that he'd confirm Oblunders Supreme pick...and he has a letter from Clinton, thanking him for dialing back the 2nd Amendment. He's a clown & a progressive. Rip him.

 

The MSM have been holding back. If and when DT becomes the nominee - Katie bar the door.

 

 

Sweet @Geee!

 

I say, "Bring it!" It can only make Cruz look like a better choice. I think Trump will just crank up his game & those lawsuits he's threatened for media...they'd better have crossed their "t's" & dotted their "i's"...plus have big pockets.

 

I have no love for Lil Marco, but if I were Cruz, I'd be lining him up for the VP slot. With an all-Latino ticket...they'd inoculate themselves from all the tripe that's going to be flung until November 8th. Marco could have some exposure in high office, too...with a chance to prove himself; without any of the responsibility. (Being VP is like a warm bucket of spit-except for that tie breaking Senate vote) Rubio is liked more than Cruz in the Senate & sitting in Biden's present throne, would give Cruz a "Yuge" advantage.

 

But if DT becomes the nominee that is a mute point.

 

If we do have a brokered convention, that's different. I remember when all conventions were brokered conventions (smoke filled back rooms). People are acting like its something new. I believe Reagan was nominated at a brokered convention - also Jack Kennedy. That is how is used to be.

 

I posted an article this morning about how it works but didn't get to read the whole thing with my computer crazinessrolleyes.gif I want to Bing some more facts when I get a chance. I read that the States must vote for their winner on the first ballot (don't know how states that are not "winner take all" work that), but if no one gets a majority, they do not have to follow that on the second ballot. What I am not sure of is how they pick who they vote for after that???

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It’s the Character

Mona Charen / March 21, 2016 / 50 COMMENTS

 

I first became aware of Donald Trump when he chose to make cheating on his first wife front-page news. It was the early ’90s. Donald and Ivana Trump broke up over the course of months. Not that divorce is shocking, mind you. Among the glitterati marriage seems more unusual. Nor is infidelity exactly novel. But it requires a particular breed of lowlife to advertise the sexual superiority of one’s mistress over the mother of one’s children. That was Trump’s style. He leaked stories to the New York tabloids about Ivana’s breast implants — they didn’t feel right. Marla Maples, by contrast, suited him better. She, proving her suitability for the man she was eager to steal from his family, told the papers that her encounters with the mogul were “the best sex I’ve ever had.” It wasn’t just Donald Trump’s betrayal that caught my eye, nor just the tawdriness – it was the cruelty Scissors-32x32.png

https://ricochet.com/its-the-character/

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@SrWoodchuck

 

Point is DT is Running on the his record as a take charge businessman.

 

What does that mean? Here I thought he was running as a Republican candidate that will build a border wall that Mexico will pay for...

 

BTW: ("take charge businessman")->He's playing to his strengths, then, Yes?

 

Everyone of the examples I answered you with...became Presidents & brought their unique skills to the office...er...well, except the "Pro"-protester...(look what that clown has been able to do to the Republic & he's a "constitutional professor" to boot!)

 

 

 

 

And all of them were actual practicing politicians...with the possible exception of the generals...ie you could make an argument that Ike was a political general. There are also some questions out there about just how good of a businessman Donald was/is.

 

 

@Valin!

 

Of course they're questioning his business acumen. You're doing that for them now, though, so they can concentrate on other areas of subterfuge. You know, I look at this political campaign & I see that the dirty tricks are being cranked up. Maybe we just weren't allowed a glimpse behind the curtain at the wizard elites who must retain power...but now it's naked ambition...and it ain't pretty. Trump gets down in the mud and rolls with the rest of the pigs...and even has a knack for it. He can claim to not be a politician, but he's operated in an area of high business that requires a type of person that can lie, bluster, promise & cut throats if needed...which is a politician.

 

BTW: In the rough & tumble of politics or high business...there will be loss & gain. He's up now...and has been for a while...so he's a survivor of dangerous gaming. We don't accurately know Donald Trump. We only know what he projects & wants to be seen. Is that a liability? Yes. Could he be a good president? Maybe. His friends and associates seem to have a different picture of Trump, that contrasts markedly with what the GOPe wants seen. He plays the media like a fiddle..actually...like a Stradivarius. He's close to self-funding...which means he doesn't have the yoke of someone else's money pointing him in their desired direction.

 

I'm a Cruz guy...but I admire the fight that Trump has put on & the trail that he blazed with out-of-control immigration. Who knew Ronald Reagan at first & how was he vilified? I'm not saying Trump is anywhere near Reagan in style or substance...just that he's light years away from Killary or the Commie.

 

Kasich? He recently stated that he'd confirm Oblunders Supreme pick...and he has a letter from Clinton, thanking him for dialing back the 2nd Amendment. He's a clown & a progressive. Rip him.

 

The MSM have been holding back. If and when DT becomes the nominee - Katie bar the door.

 

 

Sweet @Geee!

 

I say, "Bring it!" It can only make Cruz look like a better choice. I think Trump will just crank up his game & those lawsuits he's threatened for media...they'd better have crossed their "t's" & dotted their "i's"...plus have big pockets.

 

I have no love for Lil Marco, but if I were Cruz, I'd be lining him up for the VP slot. With an all-Latino ticket...they'd inoculate themselves from all the tripe that's going to be flung until November 8th. Marco could have some exposure in high office, too...with a chance to prove himself; without any of the responsibility. (Being VP is like a warm bucket of spit-except for that tie breaking Senate vote) Rubio is liked more than Cruz in the Senate & sitting in Biden's present throne, would give Cruz a "Yuge" advantage.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing, if I was Cruz, I'd be giving Rubio a call and offer him the VP slot. I'm not too hip on Kasich, although he is from the Pittsburgh area like me, he is too weak as you pointed out. Also he is my governor since I'm now living in Ohio. Anyhoo, so far, I'll vote for Trump since I don't want the Hildebeast to get in. I've even vote Charlie Manson over Hillary. :P

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Charlie Manson <-> Killary Clinton. Seems like they both left a trail of dead bodies wherever they went. Beware...@Valin will point out that Charlie isn't qualified to be Prez...because he's not a politician.

 

Nice to have you here at TRR!

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